intro of kodacolor in 35mm

I recall using kodacolor in 120 roll film in the late 1940's or early

1950's .

I don't think 35mm kodacolor was introduced until after 1960.

anybody have a link to the facts?

I know I shot a slow agfa color print film in 1961-63 , but besides

that I don't recall.

Walter;

 

Agfa and Agfa Ansco were available in 35mm at about the start of WWII.

 

Kodak made a 35mm Kodacolor film in the late 40s and 50s as well. It was a far cry from todays film. For one thing, it did not have the orange mask. If your negatives in 120 lack the orange color, then they are indeed of this type and quite a rarity now days.

 

There was an eariler Kodacolor film which yielded color slides using an additive screen process. I don't recall the sizes.

 

There is a web site which gives the history of films. You may want to visit it.

 

Ron Mowrey

Kodak released Kodacolor negative film in 1942, according to their own history pages.

 

I'd be surprised if they didn't release it in 135 rather promptly, since the 35mm cameras were starting to have properly color corrected lenses due to Kodachrome.

the comments with the 120 film I used in the late '40s or early '50's advised to ecpose it in direct bright light. there were only 6 exposures and not 8! It's possible the older kodacolor was not good enough to produce quality prints from 35mm film.

 

One of the problems on searching on film, is the same word is used for

motion pictures and commercial movies . and when I see 94,100 HITS.

i am discouraged. I was on the kodak milestones earler and it is very simplfied. some simple searches don't work on the kodak site.

I possibly may still have some of the older negatives

<p>I found <a href="www.competition-commission.org.uk/ rep_pub/reports/1960_1969/fulltext/029c02.pdf">

this report</a> that notes that Ektachrome (released in 1946) was only available in roll film sizes (120, 620, etc.) until the implementation of the consent decree in 1954-1955. I presume Kodak had been "protecting" Kodachrome in the 35mm size.</p>

 

<p>Obviously, this paper says nothing about Kodacolor's availability in 35mm.</p>

i have continued my search and will report back if someone answers me.

puzzling that it is not on the www.

I believe the original use of the name Kodacolor was in 1928 for 16mm color movie film. This was a lenticular film that required a tribar filter over the camera and projector. George Eastman unveiled the product with a garden party at his mansion. Guests were given Cine Kodak Model B cameras loaded with the new film and fitted with the tribar filter. The film was processed and projected that evening after dinner. Among the guests were Thomas Edison and General John Pershing. Here is a link with some of the details:

 

http://www.nationaltrust.org/Magazine/archives/arc_news/080703.htm

 

There was a show on public television last year that covered this party.

In the 1940s I would spend vacations at a combination farm summer camp in Honeoye, about 30mi south of Rochester. I recall someone who worked at Kodak visiting the camp directors and then taking photos of some of the campers with new Kodak color film he was testing. He returned a week or two later with my photo, which I still have. When I find the picture and can get to a scanner, I'll send it along.

The 1946 Kodak Databook says Kodacolor came out in 1942. The oldest I have here in the house is from the spring of 1944; in 116/616 format. 35mm came out in Kodacolor ALOT later. During WW2; Kodacolor was in C127; C120; C620; C116; and C616 roll sizes. The rolls were full length; but not the entire roll was used. A C120 square 6x6cm size was 9 shots; instead of a modern 12. The extra film was for lab cals; and to drop costs. The Kodak Medalist and others had gizmos in the film counters for kodacolor. One set the counter differently. The Kodacolor negs then had a calibration code punched in the negative; to give better reprinting and printing. No 35mm Kodacolor was around then; there was cal notch space to use.<BR<><BR>Canada; Feb 1944 Kodacolor 616<BR><img src="http://www.ezshots.com/members/tripods/images/tripods-220.jpg"><BR><BR><img src="http://www.ezshots.com/members/tripods/images/tripods-215.jpg"><img src="http://www.ezshots.com/members/tripods/images/tripods-217.jpg">Look at this camera!<BR><img src="http://www.ezshots.com/members/tripods/images/tripods-218.jpg">

Agfa had maskless color negative films at least through the mid 1960s. I recall seeing it on display at the NY World's Fair.

Kelly, I presume you scanned the negative, rather than the front side of the print, which I would expect to be yellow and totally faded.

 

Any Kodacolor pictures from the first 15 years of Kodacolor where one didn't save the negative are now pretty much lost...

The above images were from the scanned 116/616 Kodacolor negative from 1944; which does have a decent mask color; but maybe just a fading issue. There is a notch code not seen in the scan; used for the old labs to set color info/balance. It is a punched out dot a pattern; like a keypunch card. The negative has more detail than the print; but has uneven fading; because of storage partially out of a envelope; and non archival shoebox problems. Here is a scan of the print; as it appears today. It has more even fading; but way less real detail<BR><BR>ve<img src="http://www.ezshots.com/members/tripods/images/tripods-238.jpg">

That's really GOOD condition for a 1944 Kodacolor print.

John; the Kodacolor print is one of those old black "construction" paper photo album pages; in a closed book; held with the four corner holders. These corner holders use glue/sticy like a regular mailing envelope. Often these corner fall off; when going thru an album. Thid print has seen little light since printed; and has always been in the album. Thus the fading is just old age; or an reaction to the plain Jane album's black paper; or both. The negatives were in a shoe box; and this one was found hanging abit out of it's Kodak Envelope; so uneven fading occured somehow. The negative was suspended above the Epson 2450's scanner glass wih a bunch of dimes. I started a thread several years ago when the Epson 2450 first came out ;on scanning ancient faded Kodacolor negatives; in the MF group here; but is was deleted as being not relevent to MF. This negative was used as an example; with prescan settings; in two types of scan software. Since "it was 116/616; and not relevent to MF and the group" ; it was deleted in a couple of days. If you start a detailed thread; save the html; it might get axed if it doesnt fit definitions of what MF is. 116/616 is not really LF; ie large format; so it is just a bastard format that folks dont want in their area. The newer "classic pre 1970" group is probably an accepted area for bastard orphaned formats; neither MF or LF.

Kodacolor prints made until 1953 were apallingly unstable, no matter how well they were stored. The magenta dye coupler remained in the base, and caused that horrible yellow-orange stain. Your print at least has density in all three colors (cyan, yellow, and magenta), that's why I said it was good. This is a case where acid paper (like you black paper) is not the culprit.

 

See Wilhelm's book "The Permanence and Care of Color Photographs" (available online), page 23, for a discussion and a example of more typical fading.

 

Oh, on page 24 there is a 1950 Kodak ad for Kodacolor, noting how they introduced it in 1942 in "roll film sizes". Makes me think that it still might not have been available in "minature film sizes" (135 and 828) in 1950.

Kodacolor type A in the 135 format is mentioned in the Kodak book "How to make good pictures" copyright 1951 &1952' page 53; 54; . Regular Kodacolor was daylight in 1952; type a was for photoflood or photflash lamps. Page 53 specifically mentions that <i>" the Eastman Kodak Company does not warrant any color films, negatives, transparencies, or prints against change in color" </i> <BR><BR>Do I sue over the 1944 print fading ? :)