First time buying a 4x5...begging for assistance.

Discussion in 'Large Format' started by andrew_mead, Dec 5, 2001.

  1. Well, the subject is a tiny bit misleading, though I am looking to buy a 4x5 for the first time. My girlfriend is graduating from a pretty bigtime photo school, and I was considering purchasing for her a 4x5 camera for Christmas/Birthday/Any_other_gift_giving_occasion_for_quite_some_time.
    She's getting ready to enter the world of the professional photographer, and is realizing that she will soon be without the luxury of going to the Photo building on campus and checking out cameras/lights/etc. Her big love (and talent in my opinion) is doing studio work, still life, food photo and shes made several refrences to absolutely dreaming of getting her own large format camera. I am a computer guy, so a lot of this stuff is like latin to me, but I sat down with her and got her to talk about the kind of things that were important, brands, bellows, lenses, lensboards and on and on. Anyways, to cut to the chase and ask an actual question:
    I would be much indebted to anyone who could point me in the direction of any good reading material on selecting the right camera, and any other information that might lead me to knock her proverbial socks off. I'm very interested in the prospects of purchasing a used camera, but I'm quite fearful of being ripped off. If people know of nice, reputable places (other than Ebay, as that would give me a coronary) to look for used gear, as well as what I should be looking for in a "complete" package that wouldn't require lots of other "accessory" purchases on her behalf. I know shes looking for a "lens", in the 150 range, but aside from that all I know to look for is "camera and lens". Brand suggestions on good quality 4x5 cameras for an aspiring professional are also appreciated. I apologize for the length, but I've got a million questions and you good people seem to be very generous in your answers. Thank you very much for your consideration.

    <p>

    -Andrew Mead
     
  2. Thee a couple of very nice Sinar P2 packages on eBay right now
    (save the nitroglycerin, using eBay won't give you a heart attack
    i've buying over eBay for a couple of years now and haven't had a
    single problem. The Sinar P2 is the best instrument for studio
    photography made, shw'll be able to use it for her entire career.
    Other than that I'd recommend an Arca-Swiss F-line camera. this
    camera is very close to the ideal balance of ease of use/quality/
    and price as you'll find. There are many other cameras that will fit
    her needs but look for a camera that is a yaw free design.despite
    what Bob Salomon from Linhof's USA marketing company is
    gonna say about "yaw free" design being over rateed, all i can
    say is in this one regard, he is wrong.A "yaw free design will
    make her life in the studio much easier.
     
  3. Another really good place to look for used gear is Midwest Photo
    Exchange in Columbus, OH. I've always found them to be very
    helpful, and they are especially eager to help younger/student
    photographers (at least that's the impression I get).
     
  4. Andrew... Forget about the surprise! Make sure she is by your side
    when you buy her the camera. She is the only one that knows what she
    wants!!!! Good Luck, Harry
     
  5. If you are looking for a large format studio camera, check out the
    special deals that Robert White has on the Sinar f1 and f2. His
    site is at www.robertwhite.co.uk
    He is a great dealer to work with and you can get items shipped
    in about 3 days via UPS express.
     
  6. I disagree, go ahead and surprise her. (I'm female, if that makes any
    difference.) If she has been dependent on the school's cameras she
    probably doesn't have a really fixed idea of what she wants/needs. You
    have come to the right place for advice so she won't be disappointed.
    Listen to Ellis, he knows. I have an Arca Swiss camera (for
    architecture) and it is sublime. But you probably won't find a used
    one. (I'm keeping mine forever.) Just make sure to buy something of
    quality so if someday she does want to sell it, she can.

    <p>

    You are a swell boyfriend.
     
  7. Wow, its been like an hour and already so many helpful responses.
    You guys truly are amazing ;) keep em coming.
    -akm
     
  8. If she is like my wife, then go ahead and surprise her, BUT you
    might also try to get a 'line' on what she wants. Ask her to take you
    to a couple of dealers to show YOU how the various equipment works.
    She might just lead you to what she wants.

    <p>

    Your thing is going to be getting the best deal you can get on
    whatever you pick. Take some time looking at some websites,
    Robert White in the UK, Photomark here in the US, The F-Stops
    Here, and that's from a guy fairly new if LF.

    <p>

    After you get prices and specs, might as well come on back here,
    and run it by these folks. If it's one thing you'll be sure of,
    running it by these folks will give you feedback that is specific and
    well though out.
     
  9. Andrew,
    Are you on a Cadillac budget? Used Cadillac budget? Ford budget?
    You get my drift. The good folks here always recommend Cadillacs.
    You can't go wrong with that. But there's lots of less impressive
    names that will still get you to town and back. Just afraid perhaps
    you'll price Sinars and Arca's and ditch the whole project which I'd
    hate to see you do.
     
  10. Ahh, budget.
    Thats a tough question to answer, except "I'll know it when I see
    it" :)
    I've done some looking and it seems that one could potentially find
    something like an Arca Swiss Discovery Kit for like 1200ish. I
    suspect, though, that actually putting a lens on said camera is
    another subject entirely. Heck, it seems like some lenses cost more
    than the dang camera hehe. I guess its because the shutter is built
    into these lenses. Lets just say, price is obviously a big concern :)

    <p>

    -Akm
     
  11. First Option: Have here be there when you pick it out. Cameras are a
    bit like clothing. What suits one doesn't suit another.

    <p>

    Second Option: If you absolutely have to buy it without here direct
    involvement: buy it from a store that will let her return it,
    preferably for cash back, if she is not satisfied. My local pro-store
    will do this, even if it is used.
     
  12. OK, we can get you over the lens hump without making anybody mad.
    Caltar 150 either the Caltar SII which was a Schneider product (my
    personal favorite) or Caltar IIN which is a Rodenstock product and
    every bit as good (some would say better) will only set you back
    $250-$275. These are modern premium quality lenses with no compromise
    in quality. Sounds like from what you describe she actually might
    enjoy a 210MM even more, but most folks do begin with the 150. Don't
    buy anything to begin with that does not say COPAL on the shutter.

    You mention Ebay is a concern but if someone has lots of good
    feedbacks and NO negative, and they will give you a trial period with
    a $ back guarantee, well I've had 0 problems but I do understand other
    folks with certain personalities just can't stomach the thought. And
    for that matter I also notice some of the best used dealers with
    prices very near what Ebay will fetch.
     
  13. Don't let anybody talk you into buying anything on the spot,
    especially from a salesperson who looks like they haven't eaten in
    couple of weeks, and works on commission.
     
  14. Your heart's in the right place, but what you want to do screams _gift certificate_ (or something of that sort) rather than you making a purchase.

    <p>

    Imagine your girlfriend knows _nothing_ about computers, wants to buy you a computer, and asks around what to buy. She'll get an answer or two or three, but what do you think the chances are that she'll buy you exactly what you want? Just think; she could get a screaming deal on a nice, used computer...say, a 286. <g>

    <p>

    So..if you have a _good_ local dealer, perhaps you could buy what amounts to a gift certificate or open an account for her, something of that sort. You need a _professional photo equipment dealer_, not the local Ritz or whatever. Where are you?

    <p>

    If that won't work out, call up the guys at Calumet Photographic 1-800-CALUMET and explain what you have in mind. Calumet is a long-time good, reliable dealer who won't push something far beyond what's appropriate and won't take you to the cleaners. There are of course plenty of other good dealers, (Robert White in the UK, Darkroom Innovations / The View Camera Store, Badger Graphics etc) some with higher or lower prices than Calumet, but there's more of a need to know what you want.

    <p>

    Another thing; Mamiya America Corp (Toyo view cameras) and some other distributors run special deals for bona-fide students and teachers. In the case of MAC (if it hasn't changed in past year or so) you can buy items for very significantly lower prices, in many cases below common used prices. Perhaps Linhof, Sinar, Arca-Swiss offer the same sort of programs.
     
  15. Forget what I said before, John's idea is better.

    <p>

    You'll still be a swell boyfriend.
     
  16. Dear Andrew

    <p>

    To go over a bit of ground other have discussed, Ebay can be a
    terrific avenue to get good quality cameras at reasonable prices.
    Your disadvantage is that you have not tracked prices, so you might
    be a bit more vulnerable than people who have been pricing cameras on
    the new and used market.

    <p>

    Going to a dealer like Calumet or looking at their web sites or those
    sites of other good dealers like B&H or Helix Photo or Samy's will
    help your learning curve and perhaps help in the end decision. Look
    at a magazine called View Camera and they have many advertisers who
    are selling new and used equipment.

    <p>

    I happen to shoot Sinar. As Ellis has pointed out, there are several
    interesting Sinar cameras available on Ebay. An advantage of buying
    their products (and I am certain other users of other cameras may
    have the same thoughts) is that they are selling a "system" which
    means all the cameras can be upgraded and interchange with parts and
    accessories. You and your girlfriend over the years can start with
    an older P and upgrade it to become a P2 or maybe you start with
    their F camera and that too can be upgraded as need and available
    fund allow. That also means that new items are designed so they are
    usable by older and well as the newest of cameras in their line. I
    find that buying good equipment (even if it costs a bit more at the
    beginning) over the years is an investment which pays off.

    <p>

    I wish you the best in your search. You will find the contributors
    here on this forum are an excellent repository of aid, assistance and
    ideas.

    <p>

    Regards,

    <p>

    John
     
  17. Andrew,

    <p>

    I still think suprising her would be awesome! It is true that you
    may not get what she wants but if you buy it new from a honest
    large dealer like Bager graphics, you can get it exchanged (or
    refunded) at the cost of shipping.

    <p>

    After your girlfriend receives her present, you can tell her
    (besides other sweet things) that you wanted to suprise her even
    though you were concerned that it may not be what she would
    buy for herself. Then tell her that you are perfectly comfortable
    with her choosing something else if she would like.

    <p>

    Frankly, though, if you get her an Arca-swiss F and an 150mm
    Rodenstock S lens, the chances are good that she will keep it.
    Badger (talk to Jeff) has good prices and is very honest. Just let
    him know your situation.

    <p>

    I know you girlfriend will think very highly of your gift (whether or
    not she keeps it!)

    <p>

    Merry Christmas! -Nick
    and it is OK with you if she
     
  18. Andrew,

    <p>

    One last thing. Realize that just getting her the camera would be
    enough. You can let her pick up the lens and accessories. The
    great thing about LF equipment is that it is totally mix and match
    as you may have found out in your research. Best of luck!

    <p>

    -Nick
     
  19. I agree with the Sinar's and another good one is the Cambo line found
    at www.calumet.com. A Cambo SCX was my first studio camera and I love
    it. SC's are nice too and can be gotten at Ebay for pretty short money.
    As you have found out, there is alot of good people around here with
    alot of good info but everyone is going to have a different preference.
    For studio stuff though, I would recommend more in the 210mm range. It
    will give you a better perspective in my opinion. You might think of a
    good light meter (strobe capabable) like a Sekonic 408, Minolta V or
    there abouts, a Polaroid holder, film holders (you can never have
    enough!!!), a good loupe will be a good stocking stuffer and is very
    much needed, a very good tripod is also needed (Bogen & Gitzo's are
    good).
    Hope this helps a little.
    Cheers
     
  20. I have and like the Arca-Swiss a lot for a higher end camera. Plus,
    it's convenient in the field, unlike cameras like the Sinar-P. As a
    less expensive alternative, the Cambo N series provides a lot of
    flexibility, all the accessories one's likely to need, etc. Not so
    good in the field, however.

    <p>

    What are your misgivings regarding EBay? Perhaps you're not into the
    thrill of those last second bids, getting them in just under the wire
    before anyone else realizes that they've been outbid. In this case,
    the Buy-It-Now option is the one for you. Good values can be had
    using this option.

    <p>

    Or, if it's the stress of not knowing if you'll receive the goods
    you've just paid $100's of dollars for, then make sure that, whomever
    you select from which to purchase, they have lots of good feedback
    AS SELLERS with minimal or no negative responses. The only bad deal
    I've had on EBay was one that, from the minimal feedback they had
    received, was questionable.

    <p>

    Good luck.
     
  21. Lots of good posts re: the camera and lens decision. I agree on
    leaving the more esoteric accessories to her, but since you're new to
    view cameras, here is a short list of the things that you need to
    make one of these work:

    <p>

    The Camera
    The Lens
    A Lensboard
    A Tripod (with head)
    Film Holders
    Film

    <p>

    There are a ton of other things that are helpful (almost necessary),
    but you can take a photo with these things alone, and you cannot
    without all of them (except arugably the tripod).

    <p>

    If you buy a kit, there's a good chance you'll get everything but the
    film and the tripod, but if you buy separately, and want to get her
    a "complete" photo making machine, make sure you have each of these.

    <p>

    As for stores, I've been extremely happy with Midwest Photo Exchange
    (mentioned earlier). Their staff is super helpful and guided me to
    several of my first purchases. Their used selection is pretty
    extensive too.

    <p>

    For new stuff (film especially), I really like B&H, very professional
    and good prices. It's a much bigger operation than Midwest though,
    and you might not get the same personal attention. B&H does have a
    used department that is pretty good also.

    <p>

    I'm sure there are a bunch of other great stores that deal over
    telephone/internet, but my experiences have been mostly with B&H and
    Midwest. KEH is good too, but I've only dealt with their 35mm and
    medium format gear, so don't know too much about their large format.

    <p>

    Now, for accessories that are not absolutely necessary, but pretty
    much everyone uses:

    <p>

    Darkcloth
    Focusing Loupe
    Meter
    Polaroid Back

    <p>

    The Darkcloth is the subject of great debate, but can be improvised
    until she figures out what she wants. The Focusing Loupes can be
    very expensive, but you can at least start with a simple <$10 one
    that Ritz camera carries for looking at 35mm negatives on the light
    table. The meter is going to be something she should probably pick
    out herself based on what she's doing with the camera.

    <p>

    Finally, the Polaroid back. While arguably the least necessary of
    the previously mentioned items, from a gift excitement point of view,
    could be pretty cool. With the Polaroid back, she could pull the
    camera out of the wrapping, go outside and make a photo immediately.
    I'd bet that almost all of us shooting 4x5 have the 545 or 545i
    holder in our bags, and she'd probably want to get one pretty shortly
    after getting the camera anyway. They make a number of different
    films for this holder (color print, black and white print, positive
    negative [my personal fav.]).

    <p>

    Without the polaroid, she'd have to load film holders and process
    film before getting a result, i.e. it could be some time before she's
    able to "use" the camera.

    <p>

    Again, it depends on your budget, etc. The Polaroid holder runs
    about $100 used and a box of film runs about $50-$60 I think.
     
  22. I haven't read the above answers, so if I'm repeating one, oops...

    <p>

    Given her interest in studio work, make sure you get a monorail view
    camera. A wooden field camera looks beautiful but is really inferior
    to a monorail except in the portability department (and more
    expensive, on the low end at least). I have a wooden camera, but
    then my interest is hiking and taking nature photos. Calumet sells
    an inexpensive monorail (the Cadet) that is well regarded from what
    I've read. Whatever you get, I'd buy from a reputable dealer and
    take delivery shortly before you're going to give it. That way it
    can be exchanged easily if she would really prefer something else.
    Be willing to spend more on the lens than on the camera. After all,
    the lens creates the image, the camera just holds the lens and film
    in place... New Nikon, Schneider, Rodenstock, and Fuji lenses are
    all good. Again, since it's studio usage, look for larger image
    circles. There is a great lens comparison table (and tons of other
    great info, much of it for the first time buyer/user) at
    http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~qtluong/photography/lf/

    <p>

    While this violates the "Don't give women anything useful" rule
    (sticking to aesthetic gifts like jewelry, flowers, etc.) I have to
    think this gift is going to be a winner.
     
  23. Thanks for all of your help guys and gals, this is invaluable.

    <p>

    In speaking with a dealer, a Horseman system was suggested. Here are the specs...

    <p>

    Horseman LE Camera, Schneider 150mm Apo Symmar lens and panel.

    <p>

    Anyone have experience with this camera? Pros/cons? This appears to be in the neighborhood of my price points (ha). Any feedback as always is appreciated :)

    <p>

    -Andrew
     
  24. The Horseman LE is a fine camera, and many studio photographers use
    this type of camera.

    <p>

    I think 150mm is a bit too short for the type of photography you've
    described. For studio work, you generally want to get farther back
    from the subject to get better "drawing". I'd try a 210mm, maybe even
    longer.
     
  25. Don't ask a dealer. Ask her or if not her, then her teacher. A
    dealer wants to sell you what they have. I agree about a 210mm
    sounding right. BUt ask her instructor.
     
  26. I use a Horseman LX-C, heavier and with some more movements than the
    LE, but I would recommend you strongly conside the LE if you can
    afford it. As others have said, 150mm may be a bit short for an only
    lens, but I made out fine with a 180mm for a while before I got a
    more rounded out group of lenses (over a period of years). 210mm
    would be even better.
     
  27. Call B&H and get their Professional Photo SourceBook. It is $9.95 and
    lists everything, with prices and pictures. TALK TO HER
    PROFESSORS,they probably know exactly what she wants.

    <p>

    If you really want to knock her socks off, get her a Wisner, but you
    might have to sell your car and start riding a bicycle.

    <p>

    I have made Christmas present purchases for my wife from B&H before
    and they agreed to extend their aproval period 15 days from Dec 25,
    not the purchase date. They also offer a extra cost warranty for used
    cameras. However, everyone else that has been mentioned I have had
    good luck with or heard good things about.

    <p>

    The only thing I purchased from Midwest turned out to be defective
    and I had no problems at all returning it a getting a refund. That
    is the real test of a retailer...when things go wrong.

    <p>

    Beware leaking bellows on used equipment, especially Linhof. I
    purchased a used Technica and stuck a flashlight inside the bellows
    and the pinholes looked like the sky on a clear night. Replacement
    bellows can be very expensive.

    <p>

    I have found that if you have time and watch Ebay and know what you
    want, you can save about half. However, the other night I tried to
    buy this year's christmas present for my wife and it went for about
    75% of list and about $30 OVER what I could buy it brand new out of
    NY for.
     
  28. Andrew: Please read Using the View Camera Author: Steve Simmons
    Binding: Hardcover, 144 pages Publisher:
    Watson-Guptill Publications, Incorporated Published Date: 10/01/1992.
    I think it is the ideal book for your purposes. Best of luc
     
  29. Listen to Charlie and Don, a 150mm lens is too short and very annoying
    to attempt to use for her needs that you describe. A 210mm is minimum
    and the lens that will fit over 50% of her needs. A 300mm is a class
    act. Look to the Schnieders and Rodenstocks, they do things the others
    don't. Some of the best lenses are no longer made but they remain the
    standards of the realm. Those are the Ektars, made by Kodak. The 10
    inch Wide Field Ektar, the 12 inch Commercial Ektar and the series of
    Voightlander Apo-Lanthars are the true Jewels of the still life world.
    She will love you forever, and never part with one. They are not hard
    to find or too expensive.

    <p>

    Still life and studio photography is not about ease, in is about craft
    and skill. Do not listen to that stuff about no yaw and other
    nonesense. It is marketing and has no effect on sensitivity and true
    feel for the craft. As a Sinar user, I can tell you there are aspects
    of the over attention to engineering that can be annoying and non
    intuitive. A good Horseman or even a Cambo can be less intrusuive, but
    there is no arguing that as machines the Sinar and the Arca Swiss are
    two of the finest there is. In Practice at times a 60 year old floppy
    deardorf is the tool that works best, even with all of its
    limitations. The 4x5 and 8x10 Granview cameras are amazing field
    cameras and there is nothing in the world like them. For a starter
    camera with the most flexability and ruggedness I would look first to
    the Horseman. Make sure you do not fall into the trap of buying a
    basic Sinar only to find it too short for use in the studio with a
    210mm lens. That is the most annoying thing possible and many basic
    cameras are too short for still life use.
     
  30. I checked my B&H catalogue which may not be quite current but will
    give you an idea of new 4x5 view camera prices:

    <p>

    Arca Swiss Discovery $1344.
    Horseman LE $1345.
    Linhof Kardan E $1999.00
    Sinar F1 $1850

    <p>

    Most of these cameras can serve as platforms that she can add on to
    vertually forever.

    <p>

    Schneider G Claron 210mm F9 $711.
    Nikon M 200mm F8 $609.
    Rodenstock APO Sironar F5.6 $989
    All are in Copal shutters.

    <p>

    Wisner 4X5 Traditional field $1495 (probably not what she needs but I
    just like pretty wood.)
     
  31. I read Fred's post after mine. The sinar comes with a 18" bellows
    but only a 12" rail. The 6" extension rail is $159. The Linhof has
    20" standard, the horseman 15",the Arca Swiss 15" with a 11.8" rail?
     
  32. I just cannot resist this. It is a GUY thing buying gifts to woo a
    woman's heart. So it has gone beyond sweets and flowers...

    <p>

    Think about it as a system that you're starting her on. It is not a
    one-time purchase but the beginning of a system that she can AFFORD to
    add to as she progresses. Getting her a Sinar or Arca-Swiss is great
    advice but can she afford to maintain them and add pieces to them when
    she needs to? I am not sure what the situation is whe it comes to
    renting accessories for the Sinar or Arca-Swiss.

    <p>

    That said, know that Sinar-Bron offers the 4X5 Sinar X for about $2995
    once a year at about this time of the year. Check it out with
    Sinar-Bron. I'd recommend a Rodenstock APO Sironar-S lens. As to the
    focal length, only your girlfriend knows what she wants. If she
    indicates a 150mm, get her a 150mm.
     
  33. I have almost never used the standard rail with my horseman. It is too
    short. If she shoots food and things like that she will definately
    need lenses like the 300mm just to make things look normal. Short
    lenses distort the objects in the shot. Egg shaped dishes 3D forks,
    cherries bigger than oranges. I often use a 480 Rodenstock Apo Ronar,
    or a 14" Ektar for food. You need a very long camera rail and bellows.
    My Sinar and my Szabad are both 8x10 models so long bases and bellows
    are not an issue on 4x5. I have 3 Horseman rails. The long one I think
    is 24". My Cambo is a 22, I think. I rarely use any 12-15 inch rails
    because the 135-180mm lenses are useless in the studio for anything
    other than full length people because of the distortion and you have
    to be so close that the camera interfears with lighting and access.
    But the distortion is horrible. I use short rails for Wide angle
    lenses, such as my Beloved 53mm Biogon.(Useless in studio, it really
    lives most of the time on a Granview). A too short camera (rail
    and bellows) will be a source of instant frustration, since the one
    thing she cannot do is the very thing she loves to do. It will do
    great landscapes with almost any lens, but do nothing at all in the
    studio.

    <p>

    If you do get her a 4x5 for Still Life/Food, you will need a real
    tripod. Look at the Davis And Sanford studio air support tripod, and
    the big Gitzo. The D&S costs no more than a manfretto, but is so much
    more a device a studio photog would love. Perfect in every way.
    definately not a overgrown toy.
     
  34. Hi Andrew

    <p>

    I would do it like so: Oh my girl yesterday there was a discussion
    about LF cameras between to photographers in the restaurant, the first
    voted for Arca and Linhof and the second for Sinar and Horseman or
    something like thad but they came not to a conclution, what do you
    think is the best LF camera around?
    And then she gets big eyes and red ears and she will tell you wich is
    here favorit,and then buy here the favorit!
    And then you are the best and she gets the biggest eyes when she opens
    the present!
    The camera wich is best for me is maybe the worst for here. So with a
    bit of communication you get the right staff for here.
    And you get a big kiss, good luck!
     
  35. I can't resist:
    Fred wrote: "Still life and studio photography is not about ease, in is about craft and skill. Do not listen to that stuff about no yaw and other nonesense." Fred is either not a professional or is a professional masochist. yaw free makesa great deal of difference in studio shooting. I write this based on three years of assisting a top level studio photographer and seventeen years of some pretty high level shooting on my own. The reason it makes a difference is that by makingthe process of setting up the camera you increase your productivity and your ability to concentrate on the image, which in the end is the only thing that matters. With a camera that induces yaw (combination of swing and tilt movements) you go through tw oor more rounds of correcting your corrections, never a good thing.
     
  36. Neither can I

    <p>

    Ellis,

    <p>

    You sound like any one of five assistants I fired over the past 40
    years of my effortlessly switching from a Deardorff to a Sinar to a
    Horseman to a Cambo. I would tell you the reason I fired them but like
    them you will (have) missed the point.
     
  37. Here are my two cents: If you are puchasing a camera for her or even just a gift certificate, you might be
    depriving her from half the pleasure of getting what she wants, where she wants. Over the years in
    photography school and talking with her fellow students, she might have now a pretty good idea of what she'd
    like and where to get it. Some places have much higher prices and she could well fit another lens or useful
    accessory in the package depending on where she buys. So why not respect her own ability to make decisions
    and offer her a gift box containing some pictures or drawings of cameras and the bucks for it? Just a thought.
     
  38. I'm with Paul on this as well....the right camera is really a personal
    choice, and it might even take her one or two tries to find the right
    one for her tastes & style...why not just let her make the decision?
     
  39. fred: As a commercial photographer running my own studio for seventeen years, I get the point:: they didn't want to do things your way. that's fine, in your studio, you are the boss.
     
  40. Not getting into the question about why Fred fired the 5 assistants,
    I have to say that the yaw-free aspect of my Horseman is not just
    marketing. If I use it for a while and switch back to my old Cambo,
    I feel the difference in the efficiency of setup time. "Sensitivity
    and true feel for the craft" can't be quantified objectively. (The
    person that brings it up first can claim to have it, and that the
    other person wouldn't recognize it if it bit them.) But I can
    quantify and qualify efficiency of setup time, and I don't think that
    lessens my craft or skill in using the camera. If I wanted an easy
    life, I wouldn't be using a LF camera.
     

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