peter_j2 Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 From your experience, will the 8 USD diffusion sock shown in the attached ebay photo be recommend as a light modifier on a key light for portraits of up to two people? The sock will be attached to an Alien Bees B1600 flash unit. The seller advises to turn off the modeling light to eliminate the risk of fire to the fabric. I am looking at buying the sock to be used as a quick setup and knockdown of my lights from location to location during a wedding assignment. My other modifiers are two 60 inch silver/shiny white reversible umbrellas which will be used at the banquet hall. By the way, the sock fits White Lightning, Alien Bee, Photogenic, Elinchrom, Balcar, Broncolor, Bowens, Britek, JTL, Calumet, Crown, Sunpak, Multiblitz, Novatron, Photek, Visatec and other monolight systems with a reflector of 6-8" They can also be used with the separate power pack and head studio systems such as Speedotron, Norman, Photogenic, Calumet, Novatron, Broncolor, Comet, Dynalite, Zeus etc. Thanks.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garry edwards Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 It will make some difference but not much. For your purpose, one of those pop-open diffusers would do a much better job, all you'll need is an assisant to hold it in front of the light, or a light stand with a clamp arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_autio Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 This DOES look fire hazardous, or least burn off some noxious fumes even with the modeling light off. Those strobes are hot. What's wrong with a umbrella? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_ludwig2 Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Hi, Peter. This sock diffuser is a good idea......if the light source is already large, like a 20" or better beauty dish and the sock is big enough to stretch over it. This small of an area, and without the ability to see where your light is going, it's not a good idea at all. It's pretty much the SIZE of the light source, coupled with diffusion, that makes a good portrait light. If you are going for fast set up and tear down, go for a 36" or 40" shoot through umbrella if you don't want to spend the time working with a real soft box. (By the way, silver umbrellas are very effective for reflection of light, but they are a very specular light and will give harsh highlight to shadow ratios. White cloth umbrellas are far better for portraits, again, if you don't want to mess with a good big soft box. When I used to shoot weddings and did lots of pre-ceremony formal shots of individuals, bride with parents and each of the maids, groom with parents, with men, etc. at a formal background, I used a 40' softbox with a gold reflector on the other side of the subjects. It was a reasonably fast set up and gave incredible lighting, plus it had the one quality that this small sock eliminates.....the ability to use the modeling light to actually see what I was creating. That is totally important. Do a bit more work and have a ton more success with an easier to use (visualize) system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_j2 Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 Hmmm. It was either my spouse's pantyhose or this ebay sock. Looks like it won't be either. Thanks to everyone for their valued input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gettis Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I bought a couple probably from the same seller you were considering. On my lights the bare reflectors have hotspots with the diffusion socks they don't. Have not used them since getting them to take photos though. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_j2 Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 John: This is the link to the seller on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150280697081&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:CA:1123 That was one of two factors I was hoping for: a reduction in the hot spot. The other being one less umbrella to carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gettis Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Yes that was the one. They seem to be a cross between some kind of paper and fabric. I put them on the strobes and played with them for awhile shining them at a wall (about 10 mins) they did not show any signs or discoloration in that time. My units use a 150watt modeling light and I had them turned down to about 1/2 power most of the time. I would take some photos with them but when I take out my lights the family dissapears into the wood work John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_j2 Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 LOL John. Hey, for 8 USD for two socks, what the hell! I am still using the 100 Watt Silvania bulbs supplied by Alien Bees and will make a nice Sunday trip today to Home Depot and get the Philips Halogena 150 Watt bulbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garry edwards Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 *I am still using the 100 Watt Silvania bulbs supplied by Alien Bees and will make a nice Sunday trip today to Home Depot and get the Philips Halogena 150 Watt bulbs.* Well, as a matter of interest I looked them up on http://www.1000bulbs.com/PAR_Halogen_Floods___Spots/Haologen_A_Type_Light_Bulbs/8879/?&utm_source=NexTag&utm_medium=shopping+site&utm_campaign=NexTag+datafeed&utm_term=8879 It tells you the voltage, the wattage and the output in lumens - everything in fact except the info you really need to know, which is the Colour Rendition Index. The CRI needs to be 90+ for photography, otherwise different colours will be reproduced differently - and lamps with high CRI values are much more expensive to produce than those with low ones, so you can be pretty sure that these lights are not suitable for photography, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_j2 Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 John: Not to intentionally go off topic for everyone else reading this, which 150 Watt bulb do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gettis Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I have two Calumet Genesis 400 strobes that use a jdd 150 watt modeling light. I have also purchased a couple of Halogen 150 watt bulbs for use in a normal lamp when they were on clearence at Target a couple of months ago. I bought them because the ones Calumet sells are $25 a piece. How ever they are a little longer and stick out beyond the front edge of the reflector and I don't use them. I keep them in my kit just in case the real ones burn out. I think that they would work fine in my softbox. I tend to keep an eye on clearence sales at my local stores. I picked the bulbs up for less then $2 when I think the normal price is about $5. I have also bought a couple containers of small plastic clamps that I use to hold muslin backgrounds on the background holder for a couple of bucks. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Webster Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I use a food-service hair cover on the 5" reflector of my Norman strobe. It provides a little diffusion, but mostly just softens the specular highlights a little and reduces the output by a stop or so. I think the caps are less than $1 at the food store. @Garry, I think we're talking about modeling lamps here, and CRI isn't important in modeling lamps. I use 100W household lamps in my AB400s and 150W Phillips Halogena lamps in my AB800s. The Halogena bulbs barely fit behind the honeycomb grid in the AB 7" reflector. <Chas> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garry edwards Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes, on re-reading I think you're right, he is talking about modelling lamps, in which case CRI doesn't matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstubbs Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 OvenPaper wrap Peter. It's in the kitchen! :~) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_j2 Posted August 15, 2008 Author Share Posted August 15, 2008 Charles: Thanks for the caution on the 150 Watt Halogena bulbs. There must be other brands of 150 Watt lamps smaller than the Halogena's. Anthony: Great idea. I am definitely going to try it with the clip-like holders that came with my B1600s. It is either a roll of white coloured wax or parchment paper. I did see in a magazine a similar type of paper used over a photographer's lights (maybe Profoto) during his photo shoot of a bikini-clad model on a beach. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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