dcstep Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I've finally started digitizing some very old family photos--most going back only to the 1940s or 1930s, but one dating from roughly 1885--and doing a little digital restoration. It's slow going, and I won't get all that many done, but every one I complete is immediately backed up twice, so there are three digital copies of it as well as any prints I make. Nice! Is one of you backups off-site or cloud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddler4 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 One on-site mirror, one cloud-based backup (BackBlaze). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaTango Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 The KEY is off-site vs. on-site. I have two friends that have totally lost valuable archives of their lives' work, that were backed up on-site, one due to fire and one due to flood. And now they are retired and live in Florida... :rolleyes: For a long time, I was using Amazon S3 (and Filezilla as the transfer client) to hold certain folder, website, and work document backups. This was along with WD Passport images of boot drives. Lately due to changes by Amazon, I now back up to Toshiba X300 5Tb drives that drop into this: SABRENT USB 3.0 to SATA I/II/III Dual Bay External Hard Drive Docking Station This is not NAS as such--but the rotating drives end up out in the garage shop--which is unlikely to burn along with the house... "I See Things..." The FotoFora Community Experience [Link] A new community for creative photographers. Come join us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 To reiterate- For me, saving your images on the "cloud" is very much like saving your money in bitcoins and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddler4 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 For me, saving your images on the "cloud" is very much like saving your money in bitcoins and the like. Whatever the drawbacks of cloud storage, this is a poor analogy. When you use cloud storage, there is something there: a server farm that is storing your image. When you buy bitcoin, you are buying essentially nothing other than a digital certificate that you hope some greater fool will pay more for. It's a simple pyramid scheme--like the Dutch tulip bubble, but in that case, people actually did own flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 (edited) Whatever the drawbacks of cloud storage, this is a poor analogy. When you use cloud storage, there is something there: a server farm that is storing your image. When you buy bitcoin, you are buying essentially nothing other than a digital certificate that you hope some greater fool will pay more for. It's a simple pyramid scheme--like the Dutch tulip bubble, but in that case, people actually did own flowers. So saving your images on the "cloud" is very much like the Dutch tulip bubble. (Which, by the way, was not a trade in actual things people actually owned, but, like bitcoins, a trade in promises. Futures. "Windhandel", i.e. trade in wind. Nothing tangible.) Edited June 22, 2022 by q.g._de_bakker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstevens Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Paddler, there is zero chance you will break through. "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddler4 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Indeed. Futures trading, but futures of real things. For example, from the year after the trading in tulip futures took off: "The records of the tulip trade offer examples of just how dramatically the money invested in a single bulb could multiply. A Viceroy grown by an Almaar wine merchant Named Gerrit Bosch...weighted 81 aces when it was planted in hte autumn of 1636. It had grown to 416 aces [azen] when it was lifted in July 1637..." (Mike Dash, Tulipmania, p. 119). That bulb was a real thing. People were speculating in future prices of material goods. As you probably know, futures trading in other commodities was already established in Amsterda before the tulip craze. People speculating in bitcoin are buying nothing other than the hope that a greater fool will follow them. Think of it this way: if the price of tulips fell to zero, someone in the chain would still own a given bulb. if the price of Bitcoin falls to zero, the owners are left with nothing at all. None of which has anything to do with cloud storage of photographs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Indeed. Futures trading, but futures of real things. For example, from the year after the trading in tulip futures took off: "The records of the tulip trade offer examples of just how dramatically the money invested in a single bulb could multiply. A Viceroy grown by an Almaar wine merchant Named Gerrit Bosch...weighted 81 aces when it was planted in hte autumn of 1636. It had grown to 416 aces [azen] when it was lifted in July 1637..." (Mike Dash, Tulipmania, p. 119). That bulb was a real thing. People were speculating in future prices of material goods. As you probably know, futures trading in other commodities was already established in Amsterda before the tulip craze. People speculating in bitcoin are buying nothing other than the hope that a greater fool will follow them. Think of it this way: if the price of tulips fell to zero, someone in the chain would still own a given bulb. if the price of Bitcoin falls to zero, the owners are left with nothing at all. None of which has anything to do with cloud storage of photographs. The bulb was a real thing. The shoots it would produce, and those were the things traded, did not yet exist when they were traded. Futures. Windhandel. What this has to do with Cloud storage is that you are entrusting your valuables to someone else, without any guarantee that that someone else and your valuables are still around the day after tomorrow. Good faith. Trust. "Hope", as you put in the the bitcoin context. And you pay that someone else for that too. It is easy and cheap enough to not have to put your faith in someone else, and create your own internet accessible, safe storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddler4 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 What this has to do with Cloud storage is that you are entrusting your valuables to someone else, without any guarantee that that someone else and your valuables are still around the day after tomorrow. Good faith. Trust. "Hope", as you put in the the bitcoin context. And you pay that someone else for that too. It is easy and cheap enough to not have to put your faith in someone else, and create your own internet accessible, safe storage. A non sequitur. The interchange was about whether cloud storage is analogous to bitcoin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 A non sequitur. The interchange was about whether cloud storage is analogous to bitcoin. And the answer to that is: yes. What non sequitur? Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 When you use cloud storage, there is something there: a server farm that is storing your image So they tell us, and for how long will it be there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaTango Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Offsite (cloud server) storage is a nice thing. It does not take the place of rock-solid local media, as quiggy and others have noted. What's the likelihood--barring the collapse of Western Civilization--that Google (Alphabet), Amazon, and Microsoft are going away within our lifetimes? They will find ways to extract a shitload more money from us going into the future though... o_O TANSTAAFL "I See Things..." The FotoFora Community Experience [Link] A new community for creative photographers. Come join us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddler4 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Offsite (cloud server) storage is a nice thing. It does not take the place of rock-solid local media The more general principle, I think, is that nothing is foolproof, so you should have at least two backups of different sorts in different locations. It's trivially easy to do, and quite cheap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcstep Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 7/1/2022 at 6:39 PM, paddler4 said: The more general principle, I think, is that nothing is foolproof, so you should have at least two backups of different sorts in different locations. It's trivially easy to do, and quite cheap. This is the "bottom line" of this discussion, worth bumping one more time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 As for the "Cloud", there was a 1960s sci fi story in which all knowledge was compressed into a single, small chip. And then they misplaced it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 They did not misplace it. They put the knowledge where they put it on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen_h Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 On 10/23/2022 at 2:34 AM, q.g._de_bakker said: They did not misplace it. They put the knowledge where they put it on... Reminds me of a real story, though I don't remember which device. Some handheld computing devices, maybe Palm. There was a compression app, that would compress apps to save memory, and automatically uncompress them. And then someone compressed the automatic compress/uncompress app ... -- glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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