Fuji XPro 2 announced

<p>New Question:<br>

Does the new Fujifilm X-Pro2 allow for shooting in the 1:1 ratio (square) and in RAW?<br>

I bought a Fuji XT-1 and was very discouraged to discover that if I want to shoot 1:1 then I am force to shoot jpeg.<br>

Thank you.<br>

Mark</p>

<p>The info that's already out doesn't have those details - you'd probably have to wait until production models are available to find out.</p>

<p>Fuji tends to take a "raw is raw" approach and not bake a lot into the files. I know that on an X-T1 if you use a raw+jpeg mode and set 1:1 ratio you'll see your framing in 1:1 and the 1:1 JPG image will be the preview image in playback. Then you can apply the crop in post.</p>

<p>"Thanks guys. Tough choices!".</p>

<p>The Fuji Pro has a nice natural feel and any of their lenses will not disappoint...any of them regardless of price.</p>

<p>And of course you can use your Leica lenses.</p><div></div>

<p>in case anyone's interested, <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/interviews/6258617860/fujifilm-interview-jan-2016">here's</a> a recent interview with Fuji execs where they share their design philosophy.</p>

<p>an excerpt:</p>

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<p>We think that the most important thing is overall image quality. So for example just increasing [pixel count] won’t make a better picture. We [also] need better high ISO image quality. It’s always a tradeoff, and to find the optimal point is very difficult. That’s the reason we why we picked the APS-C image format. A 35mm full-frame sensor is bigger, but it’s difficult to handle and will make the camera bigger. So we’re trying to pursue the optimal [combination of qualities] for photographers.</p>

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<p>Andy,<br>

Thank you for the response. I was hoping someone got the camera early and could provide an answer. My Fuji X100-T and XT-1 will not let me set 1:1 ration and RAW.<br>

Mark</p>

Right, Fuji bakes almost nothing into raw files, including cropping. Their approach is "raw is raw". If you want to set 1:1

crop mode, put the camera in raw + normal jpg and set it to use a small 1:1 resolution for the jpg. Your live view and EVF

will show in 1:1 and the saved 1:1 jpg will show in playback. The raw will load in your raw software in basic unadjusted

form and you can add the 1:1 crop.

<p>My X-Pro 1 can set 1:1 image size whilst saving a JPG and a raw file. The latter is at the native aspect ratio of the sensor, not 1:1. The JPG is Fine per Raw+Fine setting. Check your firmware version. My X-Pro 1 version is 3.40.<br /><br /></p>

<p>Allen, is that very nice photo with a Leica lens?</p>

<p>Thanks again for the information. So this means that this new Fuji XPro 2 mostly will be like the past cameras. For me, this greatly reduces the likelihood that I will be getting the Fuji XPro 2, since that is the one feature I want.<br>

Mark</p>

Mark, nobody knows whether the X-Pro2 will save raw files in 1:1. But what's the point of that? With raw you always have

to do post work. Just add a 1:1 crop as part of your default import settings.

<p>"Allen, is that very nice photo with a Leica lens?"</p>

<p>No, I did not use a Leica lens; I think the tone of my post mislead you into thinking I did. I thought about using a Leica lens on the Fuji, however, Im very happy with the results Im getting from my Fuji lenses.</p>

<p>The lens I used for the post was a 50-230mm lens which I recently purchased. I do not really use a telephoto lens that much on this system but it is nice to have one in my bag. I chose that lens because it is relatively small and light but does not comprise on image quality...small and light were the important factors.</p><div></div>

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<p> I was hoping someone got the camera early and could provide an answer.</p>

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<p>approximately 100 pre-production bodies were sent to bloggers. so, maybe ask one of them?</p>

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<p>this means that this new Fuji XPro 2 mostly will be like the past cameras.</p>

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<p>yes and no. body shape and style havent changed, but there are significant changes to what's inside, as well as ergonomics. i for one am looking forward to handling one in person.</p>

<p>Andy,<br /> I wish to shoot in that aspect ratio in RAW. I have a working method that I often use that involves shooting full frame. So when shooting square, I want it to be square from the very beginning. Personally, I think why would the camera makers make a higher end camera (i.e. allows for shooting in RAW) and not allow all the aspect ratios offered in the camera to be available in RAW? <br /> <br /> Mark</p>

<p>Eric,<br />Sorry, I did not see your response sooner. I hope your right. I did post a comment on a blogger's page and hoping for a response. Also, I have visited the Fuji website and found a photographer on their site but not way to know I am sending him a direct message.<br /> Mark</p>

<p>Mark, this is a really easy setup. What software are you using? In Lightroom, take a raw image and apply only the crop, then save a preset from that and apply it in the import dialog. Same in Capture One only you're making a style, not a preset. </p>

<p>Limited amounts of cropping is fine and easy is post, that's where RAW files go anyway, so I see Fuji's point. In camera editing has come a long way and its welcome suit, but if there is a limit I think cropping would be the candidate.</p>

<p>Andy,<br>

I use Photoshop and Bridge. I think of all the endless "bells & whistles" these camera makers include and too few other a variety of aspect ratios and then to withhold RAW with those options when offered is even more silly.<br>

I know it is easy to crop later, even before digital. I have cropped more times than I can count but when I shoot, I prefer the cropping has been done by me at that moment, no turning back on that exposure. It is a quirk if mine but I am entitled, after all I am an artist. :)<br>

With that being said, I may have to resort to what you mention Andy. <br>

Mark</p>

<p><img src="http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c372/jaxphotocat/FLWpr1050497_2.jpg" alt="" /></p>

 

<p>Ricoh series have the crop in-camera and the iPhone allows for a square crop in-iPhone.</p>

<p>Barry,<br>

I have an iPhone and it is wonderful for some snap shooting. I am interested in cameras with an APS size sensor or bigger that allow shooting in square and RAW. <br>

I use to own a Phase One camera with a digital back that let me shoot square. The quality is excellent but I tired of the "boxy & bully" handling of it. The photo I posted above of the flowers was done with my Panasonic G2 which has surpassed my original expectations. I also now have a Panasonic G7.<br>

I will look into the Ricoh. Thanks<br>

Mark</p>

 

<p>The whole point of mirrorless cameras (wusiwyg) in general and Fuji in particular is that RAW has been rendered superfluous. </p>

<p>Sanford,<br>

I do not see how that would be. A RAW file provides the photographer great quality control by allowing the photographer to process the image in the way that better fits their needs. Like with film, by processing it yourself you can tailor it to your needs. Mirrorless camera can potentially help reduce camera weight, bulk and make less noise while shooting (no mirror bouncing).</p>

 

<p>JPEG files are so much better than they used to be from these cameras, good, better and better, but best? Depends on the subject matter. For landscapes the optimum control in post with RAW files would be a needed flexibility. Street stuff, pictures of the kids, the modern JPEGs are amazing.</p>

<p>Fuji has the best SOOC jpegs, particularly skin tones. it's a bit of an inside joke to say RAWs are superfluous, since it's almost impossible to match the JPEG results with certain converters. i would probably amend Sanford's comment to say "<em>sometimes</em> superfluous." It all depends on what you want to do with the image.</p>

<p>Don & Eric, I agree with your point, all of us have different needs in our photography. I am a fine art photographer with traditional roots, so I like to push for "high fidelity" images. RAW is clearly the advantage here. I don't live to spend endless hours editing but don't mind the editing either. For my, the editing is an opportunity to mold the image more to me creative liking.<br /> Mark</p>

 

<p>yeah, well, if i was strictly a fine art kind of guy, i probably wouldnt even be looking at a Fuji XP2 and would instead go straight for a higher-MP full frame or even medium format camera. not saying that you can't make a fine art-quality print from a rangefinder-style body with a 24mp APS-C sensor--ive seen some amazing panoramic nature work from a guy who <em>still</em> uses a 10mp Nikon d200 and a fisheye-- but i dont think this camera is about chasing max resolution and working at a labored, slow pace. i think it's a camera that hits some sweet spots in terms of size/performance/ergonomics/aesthetics, and is more targeted toward street photographers than any other segment, although there's obvious appeal to photojournalists and documentarians as well. The big attraction for Fuji shooters isn't bodies so much as lenses, but the XP2 changes that somewhat as its a significant upgrade from its predecessor. Fuji tends to prioritize skin tones, which makes their cameras great "people" cameras, but perhaps not as ideal for landscape as some other choices. of course, if you're shooting in monochrome, color tonality is much less of an issue, and most cameras nowadays can be dialed in to user-specific settings.</p>