christopheroquist Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Hi, I'm setting up a few shoots for friends' bands and solo musicians I know, mostly for free, just for fun and tobuild some experience with this kind of shoot. Mostly what I've done has been outdoor/location type stuff, andnothing I've really needed lighting for. I have one shoot I would like to hire some models for and shoot a sortof "musician playing guitar on a couch in a dingy party/apartment surrounded by indifferent hot girls" scene, ifthat makes any sense, and I would like cold, sharp, kind of grungy lighting. At my job we have two Bowens Tri-Lights we use for product photography, sometimes with the built-in diffusers andsometimes with a soft-box, but I thought that this type of light would work really well. I was surprised to findout they are upwards of $700 for a pair. I could rent a set at Calumet here in Boston, but it got me thinking. What, really, would be the difference in buying a few bright apartment/lamp-type fluorescent lights and making adiffuser and using these instead of similar "professional" lighting intended for studio photography? Or even thewarm white bulbs found in most track lighting fixtures? If I could cheaply build or buy something that would - atleast for the time being given my amateur status - get the job done, I would rather own equipment I could use atany time rather than rent frequently. I'm not very knowledgeable about this, so forgive me if anything about this is ridiculous. Thanks, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_darnton1 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 You need these people: http://www.diyphotography.net/ This site is all about the type of stuff you want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Webster Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Chris, You will have a hard time getting enough light out of fluorescent lights to be able to shoot at reasonable shutter speed/f-stop combinations. Studio strobes put out hundreds or even thousands of watt-seconds of power; many, many times what fluorescent lamps produce. Your best bet, if you insist on "going ghetto" is to get some 500W work lights on stands from the auto supply store and making large (4ft X 6ft) diffusers. And even then, you will have to raise your ISO setting to get acceptable shutter speeds and f-stops. You are better off renting some real studio strobes and saving your money to purchase some entry level strobes later. <Chas> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 The Cheapest Alternative to Studio Lights? Sunlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_earussi1 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Fluoresent lights are very dim even the "professional" kind. But as long as they are around 5500 degrees K with at least a 90 CRI and your models can hold still for anywhere from 5-30 seconds, depending on your ISO and aperture, then they should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_landrigan Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I'll second the http://www.diyphotography.net/ link, and add strobist.blogspot.com - while sunlight and real lighting kits rule, there's a lot you can do with home depot lighting and gaffer's tape:) Check out the strobist site and flickr pools - 2 or three speedlights are much cheaper than studio lights, and can be used in a huge number of ways. Having tried all sorts of stuff - fluorescent light rings and light boxes - strobes, even a few vivtar 285's, get out a lot more light than bulbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_shearman1 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 www.strobist.com has all the answers on how to get studio quality lighting out of inexpensive shoe mount flashes. See the Lighting 101 section in particular. There's nothing you're talking about that can't be done with a couple of $90 Vivitar 285HVs and a few inexpensive accessories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerleif Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Christopher, your first problem with trying to use flourescents or some similar household lighting for photography would be white balance. There is a long list of reasons for using studio strobes, and light modifiers like softboxes, grids, beauty dishes and so on. As I noted, getting the light color right (5300K-5600K) is the first and most important consideration. Being able to precisely control output level is another. Nikon or Canon speedlights cost as much as Calumet/Bowens tri-lites, in any event, which means that strobist style lighting techniques aren't any cheaper. The fine tuning ability of studio strobes and their construction for all day daily use also accounts for the often multi-thousand dollar expense of professional studio strobes. The lighting and the lens make much of a photograph, even though most amateur photographers are mistakenly fixated on camera bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 There are lots of lighting alternatives out there. Amvona used to sell lighting on eBay, but is being sued for patent infringement. Fotodiox has some lesser cost alternatives for cool lighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks short Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 .....www.strobist.com has all the answers on how to get NOT QUITE studio quality lighting out of inexpensive shoe mount flashes....... Fixed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobiasfeltus Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 fluorescents also have frequency problems. if you are in the USA you can only use them at shutter speeds below 1/50th, or at multiples of 50, which means that most analogue cameras will be useless. if you were to shoot at 1/60th you will get odd bands of light like a TV shot on video. if you want something cheap and good-ish, call a theatre/stage lighting hire place and see if they have some older Fresnels that they will sell you for cheap. I have two ex hire Minuette lanterns with 500w halogen, then you get a lighting stand and a $10 manfrotto adapter to mount them on the lighting stand. these are different to strobes, but allow for a decent amount of control, and eliminate the need for flash sync which is always a pain. but faster to set up than a studio strobe, and easier to see what you are doing than with hammerhead flashes. t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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