Thanks Richard, yes I will go through the Soviet Cam sight and try to identify the original model of the dirty black/brass camera. I find that site very helpful. I have many of these FED, Zorki and Leica Copies to identify, it is doing my head in!! I spent 3 hours on research tonight to finally identify a 1 FED type 2 When putting them up for sale I guess you would have to be absolutely positive about what you are advertising. The listed prices are all over the place, the one I did identify prices on eBay ranged from $200 to $2500 why is that?