d_ponce

I own a D3s, D810, and just recently my D850 came in. (yeh!!)

Before I start shooting with the D850, I want to be prepared to download the files to my (Windows 10) laptop. Currently I use ViewNX2 as my software to transfer the files from my other cameras to the laptop. I do not use the software for anything more than the transfer process -- where it changes the file name and also puts a unique (counting) number to the file name. I would like to continue with this process but hopefully with a different transfer program for the D850 -- because when I transfer between D3s and D810 I have to keep track of the last number in the sequence and manually enter the next one in the NX2 program, depending on which camera files I am transferring from. Fortunately, I don't use the D3s much -- so it hasn't been a major issue. But knowing I will be using the D810 and D850 regularly, I'd like a simpler process. I'm thinking keeping the ViewNX2 dedicated to the D810 and something else for the D850. Your thoughts and suggestions greatly appreciated! (again, any new software suggested, I would like it to have the ability to put a counting number on each file during the process - unless a better way is now available)

Also, when I bought the D810 I had to wait until Adobe came up with the converter in order to view/edit my NEF files. Is that an issue with the D850 or is the converter that reads the D810 file still ok? thx!

Amazon just changed their anticipated ship date for the D850 from 10/31 to early January through February. Looks like it still going to be a while!

 

Has anyone tried ordering it direct from Nikon? I only get 'dear John' letters from B&H and I ordered it in August.

d_ponce, after getting two new Nikon DSLRs last year, I haven't ordered the D850 yet. Thanks to pioneers like you to pay top $ for the D850 and test things out for the rest of us. :)

 

I am planning to buy one when the price drops to $3000 with a free MB-D18 grip. I would imagine such deals will be available by the holiday season, 2018.

 

I recall that last year, the D500 was pretty hard to find early on. I checked with my local store and got nowhere, and they have since gone out of business. Eventually I found out that Best Buy had them in stock and got one of the last ones they had at that time. Last year I had a trip to Africa lined up so that I was eager to get new cameras. There is no such urgency now.

 

And that Africa trip had to be phenomenal! wow. I spend too much on camera gear to afford trips to Africa. LOL! I'm only an early-adopter when it comes to my camera equipment -- otherwise, waiting for the best deal is my strategy as well. Money 'means nothing' - lol - when it comes to photography -- everything else, I'm a penny pincher. :) The only reason I have been chomping at the bit for the successor is because the D810 is such an incredible camera for my needs, I'd buy a second if that wasn't so silly. I agree, I think a lot of folks skip a few generations for various reasons and at this price point people are ready to take the plunge -- but I'm not buying that they really have sold out already. I think the initial release was so small even if demand was minimal there wouldn't be any available. I can't believe they made enough for their anticipated orders and have run out. If so, there would be a lot more people on this thread stating they received theirs. I suspect this may have been a marketing strategy. Aside from the holidays, B&H has to be one of their largest suppliers in the US -- I'm guessing. If Nikon truly had the stock, they would make sure their largest distributors were well supplied, I'm thinking. The fact that even on the Nikon website they say they are not available yet that tells me the Sept 7 date was only a 'teaser release'. But, again, for those chomping at the bit, we'll take it -- it means it's getting close. :-)

 

On the other hand, they may have discovered a flaw -- so rather than have a recall early-on, as they did with the D800, they are taking the time to make them right before shipping them out -- nothing wrong with that! :-)

To me, Nikon's break-through DSLRs are the D3/D300, D800/D800E and the D5/D500. The D850 reuses the AF technology from the D5/D500 and improves upon the D800/D810....To me, the D850 is more an incremental upgrade,

 

Totally agree! Now - tell everyone else that so that they will stop clamoring for it so I'll get mine! :-) :-)

Thanks, ShunCheung -- I've waited for what feels like years -- my patience is waning (just kidding!) :-) :-) My D810 needs a friend - lol! 2 months!? :-( I'm going on a Nikon workshop in a few weeks and was so hoping to have it by then but I guess I will just have to be patient. :-) I don't remember waiting for the "then, much sought after" D3s when I pre-ordered it back in 2009 - I suspect it is all part of the marketing hype: tell people it is finally ready, but it really isn't -- but at least the wait is over in our heads. :-) It worked for me. :-) Yes, I wondered if the holidays may have been the reason -- which is why I thought I would post this to see if it is just B&H that is not shipping them because they are closed.

I pre-ordered through B&H on August 28th, a few days after Nikon announced it would be shipping on the 7th. I have not received it yet. I am wondering if I would have better luck going direct through Nikon or another store? Suggestions from those that pre-ordered and received theirs? thanks, much!

Thanks, Richard-- I sure hope so. I hope I won't be forced to go CC,though, yet :-) -- I'll do the extra processing step. :-) I recall the amount of effort it took to transfer my Mac-licensed CS6 to Windows (post CC days) -- it was a lot of work and I went through a lot of rejections to finally find someone at Adobe that was more than happy to help. Otherwise I'll follow your suggestion with the Nikon software.

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Regardless of that I was extremely excited when my father cleared out his study room and found this gem, an old nikon he bought in his twenties, thats about 20-30 years ago. I have no idea what model it is, what its capable of. <br>

This thread makes me feel old. :-( [lol!] good luck, petrina -- and I hope you decide to put it through its paces -- it probably won't be your 'go to' camera (I wouldn't go back to film -- even it were my only option :-) but I think it will teach you a lot about photography that you will not get from any DSLR today.

yes -- last one is a young fledgling robin.

I'm thinking a prothonotary warbler -- if so, they are very rare, but not uncommon in NJ -- I've only seen one in my life and even then I wasn't positive. If it is, you are a lucky man, Andy!!

@sandy: are you using a tripod -- the focus just isn't there like dcstep's. It's tough to get enough light with a f4.5 - 5.6, so a tripod is a must.

I recall when I bought the D810 there were issues with raw and CS6--it took some time and effort, but eventually a solution was available. I presume this will occur with the D850? Has anyone heard if the raw version/format that will be in the D850 will be different from that of the D810, that may cause a conflict with Photoshop?

Pretty much as I have expected all along, the D850 is roughly "an FX version of the D500," but I had anticipated the announcement around September 2016, prior Photokina 2016. Therefore, in my mind it is about a year late, but at least the specs look impressive so that hopefully it is worth the wait..

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I realize it's just a matter of opinion -- and we're all entitled to that, of course -- but still do not see this camera as an FX version of the D500. Since I own the D810 and will be pre-ordering the D850, I compared the specs side by side. In my opinion I think the similarity between these two models clearly makes this an upgraded D810 -- but again, probably just semantics - not worthy of a discussion point. :) Most of the upgrades will have no use for me (faster; movie upgrades,etc) and I am only getting it to have another body -- so I am so happy Nikon didn't listen to some of you guys with your predicted prices (! yikes :) ) -- this is closer to what I thought they would market it at, so I am very pleased with Nikon's decision.

 

My only 'frown' point -- which others on this forum had predicted - is the loss of the pop-up flash. Sure that sounds silly from one who specializes in fine art -- but that silly little pop-up -- even with it's annoyances -- has been used enough times in a pinch that it will be missed. I will survive, I am sure. :) Like the tilt monitor, though. Anyway, it sounds like exactly what I've been waiting a year for myself -- and was so happy to see the announcement and pre-order option in my in-box today. :-)

 

Anyone looking for a gently used D3s - lol :-)

Because it would use the D500 chassis (obviously with a larger prism housing) and allow the use of the MB-D17 (if Nikon is smart) from the D500. The D850 sensor would be the scaled (in area) version of the 20.9MP sensor of the D500 (which would make it 47MP) and it would allow the same 10fps (either in DX mode only or also in FX). Also being the FX equivalent of the D500 and an upgraded version of the D810 isn't mutually exclusive, is it?

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Thanks, Dieter! Wasn't judging - just wasn't sure I understood your thinking -- but thanks for the great explanation!

If the rumored specs are indeed correct (46MP, D5 AF, XQD/SD cards, 10fps) then the D850 would be the FX-equivalent of the D500. In fact, it would incorporate the D500 in a high-resolution FX camera. It would be a major feat to move 2.25 times as much data off the sensor and onto the card (pretty much matching the performance of the Sony A9 (which moves the data from a 24MP sensor at 20fps)). Even if it turns out to be "only" 8 fps, that's still 4x as much data as the D700 managed or twice as much as the D7500 does.

Dieter, why do you feel it would be an FX equivalent of a D500 -- as opposed to a slightly upgraded (already) FX model D810? Why would a company upgrade a lesser model camera, but consider it in the same family as another slightly higher end model -- why not call it a D550 with your thinking?

Mine's not. .

As an event photograph I need two bodies -- and even considered a second D810 -- but that really seemed silly at that price. If the D850 -- or any upgrade in the future - was mirrorless, I'd be passing on a new camera for a long time. The quality just isn't there yet (I also do fine art photography -- so perfection is the goal). I'm with you on sometimes just waiting things out -- I've haven't 'crossed over' yet, but I never say never. :-)

Switching from one to the other (D700 with 12MP and AA filter to D810 with 36 MP and without AA) does indeed deliver a better photograph (in the technical sense, not the artistic one) but doesn't, however, make me a better photographer.

 

A good stove doesn't make me a better cook but does allow me to do things that I can't do on an inferior one.

 

exactly! I did not say better gear makes me a better photographer -- I did say better gear provides me with the opportunity to produce a better image -- and allows me to print that image so that others can see that quality -- something an iphone will never do; although on a small screen they do look phenomenal! The "100%" test separates the 'men from the boys' and what drives my decisions when it comes to upgrading, purchases, etc. -- and now knowing the incredible capabilities of the D810, I can only imagine what I will get with the D850 - my finger is on the 'place order' button -- lol!! And to think there was a time when I said I would 'never go digital' - lol!

Same happens to me with the D700 once I had the D810.

 

So many photographers claim that their gear does not make better photographs -- only the photographer does; implying that an iphone image and a D810 image would be equal in the same competent hands. I definitely beg to differ no matter how often I hear this said. That said, a really nice image can be had from an iphone in competent hands, but put a professional DSLR in those same hands and magic is made. ;)

The 60 something women are a very risky bunch. I remember this Monty Python skit

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LOL! :D

The jump from ~$3K to >$K is a substantial one. Many fewer people will spend that. I think it's more likely that Nikon will price competitively with the nearest Canon equivalent. They also have to be more than a bit worried about losing market share to Sony as well. There is a limit to how high they can price.

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Competitive pricing I hope is being considered. I recall in 2009 when they announced the release of the 12mp D3s -- even then the pixels were on the conservative side compared to their competitors, yet commanding a $5000 price tag implied that 'size wasn't everything'. I know I jumped on it and was blown away with what I got. Fast forward 4 years later with the release of the D180 at not much more than half the price, I figured it would be a handy second body, but did not expect it to surpass the D3s at that price point - and with so much 'bulk' I thought for sure I would never use all those pixels and thought it was great that they offered a reduced file size option. :) But after putting it through its paces -- side by side against the D3s -- and using all those pixels :), I was sold! -- clearly a quality camera did not need to cost a kings ransom. Because of the superb quality I was getting from the D810 compared to the D3s, that D3s has rarely seen the light of day in the past few years -- so my anticipation level for the predecessor to the D810 as a companion to 'my ultimate camera' has me just chomping at the bit in anticipation!! :) So I guess, no matter what the price, I'll be on line as soon as the announcement has been made -- please be kind, Nikon. :)

Unfortunately getting TSA Pre-Check doesn't guarantee you won't get stopped and 'frisked'. I always go on a flight with the Pre-Check status -- they still often make me go through the 'stuff in your bucket' process -- just that they don't require 'shoes off'. However, the last time I flew (with TSA Pre-Check), they pulled me off the line and made me go through a full search -- when was the last time a 60-something Caucasian woman tried to take down a plane; they say random searches are done so they are not accused of profiling -- geez! And worse -- while this is being done, your bag may be 'unattended' on the belt -- that happened once and I asked them please to keep an eye on it for me (since that had my camera gear), they refused.

Nikon is officially 100 years old today, 25th July, 2017.

 

Nikon also announced the development of the D850, which is the FX-format successor to the D810.

 

• Nikon Japan's news on the 100th anniversary: Nikon | News | Nikon Celebrates the 100th Anniversary of its Founding
  
• And the D850, but there isn't much info yet: Nikon | News | Development of Digital SLR Camera Nikon D850
  

This is wonderful news ShunCheung -- it's been what I've been waiting to hear!! You've made my day. :) :)

<p>@Albin- I hear you about the 'value-depreciation' on these cameras. I'll be lucky to get $1000 from my once $6000 D3s when I am ready to sell it after I get the upgraded D810. But I guess we have this phenomenal technology growth that we have been talking about to blame -- guess we can't have it both ways (new technology and holding value)! :-) For the enthusiast, they will wait and reap the rewards (I've been telling a friend who can not afford a new D810 to wait until the successors come in, but buy the D810 - it is an incredible camera and seriously thought of just buying another as my back-up - but that seemed silly), but for someone who has these as their 'tools' the price is actually quite reasonable, when I compare it to what I paid for the D3s a 'mere' 6 years ago - lol! </p>

<p>@Shun -- I could handle those upgrades. :-) Although, I admit, I would miss the pop-up flash -- yeah, really! No, it is not my go-to lighting option, but it really does a great job for a pop-up and definitely has come in handy on more than one occasion. You're right -- certainly do not need any more megapixels with the FX!<br>

I really laughed at your comment: "After I got my first paycheck, I bought an FE2 and thought that would be all the camera I would ever need for the rest of my life". Although I still have my first SLR (Pentax Spotmatic II) for nostalgic reasons, I do hear you about thinking this is good, really good -- why would I want any more. :-)<br>

Ok, now for the waiting game. :-) thanks, again, guys! Diane</p>

<p>These are all encouraging words, guys! Especially Shun's thoughts: "The upgrade from the D810 to its successor will be much more substantial than the difference between the D800 and D810" Hope it comes to fruition. :-) I never thought anything could compare to my D3s when I bought it in 2009 -- and even bought the D810 as 'just a back-up' (at almost half the price, how could it come close?). But once I started comparing images side-by-side, however, it was apparent how much technology had changed in a few short years, and now rarely use the D3s -- still a good solid camera, but the D810 is like heaven-sent for my type of photography. :-) Never thought I would need -- or even want -- the huge file sizes, but we adapt. :-) The D3s file size sure seemed substantial in its time. :-) Having gone from film days '90s to now (ok-I go back a lot longer, but my first Nikon was a N90s) -- all I can say is, it is great to be a photographer in this day -- can only imagine what the future holds! Keep up the great work, Nikon - you've got me for life. thanks, again, guys. Diane</p>