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William, for your easy reference:

“to read and understand the words and what they mean” and “But the point is the conduit here IS the written word and it IS the English Language”!

 

You say: "There is no basis for your claim that comments are predicted by contributors’ names" - who is saying this? The point made was that based on the name of the contributors, assumption has been made about their grip on the English language and hence to point out the need to fully comprehend and express in English!

<p>William, you disappoint me!<br>

You are shunting around the 7D focus and noise issues and in the process implying that some (from the names, you assume) whose first language might not be English (depends which English you know!) don't fully understand camera instructions or the iffy messages here, misinterpreting others language and reasoning, making a big academic issue about the 'first finger', making some erratic conclusions - I could only conclude from all this that your understanding of and the reasoning for the 7D issues has serious problems.</p>

William, please don't misread me!

Furthermore, I glean that on the basis of the name of some contributors, there is now a kind of emphasis on the use of English language! Why this reference to English only in a 7D thread?

<p>William, you have been positive in your response and I prefer this! I don't think the point about 7D relates to the change from one camera to another and getting used to the 'new toy'. I have been using a camera for the past 40 years so I know the camera mechanics and operations, and inter relationships between various camera functions. <br>

Over many years I have progressed from Pentax to Olympus to Canon 350D to 500D to 5D to 5DII (my current) and then added 7D simply to increase the reach of my 70-200 f2.8 II, 24-70 f2.8 etc. The point is that I never had the hassle of moving from one camera to other as I'm having with 7D, and this annoys me, and what annoys me further is the defensive attitudes of some 7D loyalists who try to rubbish the users rather than 7D!</p>

This is great, Dick, many thanks!

William, you say about learning "the new tool" - I for one am willing to learn! Can you please be specific about what is that you wish me to learn/ practise?

<p>Dick, I also started a thread about my disappointment of 7D, particularly the focus/ sharpness and I was basically told off by those who for some reason or other are very defensive/ protective of 7D!<br>

What I was and am still expecting is that someone would tell me about "some adjustment in my actions and thinking to use it (7D) more effectively". Frankly speaking I was looking for tips and practical corrective actions/ techniques for improving the image! But I suppose it is too much to ask! Can you help?</p>

<p>Cooperative and beautiful model but not good results despite being outdoor and plenty of light!</p>

Oh, dear, dear, my last concluding message to Nick saying that yes the case is closed and that 7D has focus problems as well high noise at ISO1600 and above, has been taken off the forum! This tends to strongly suggest that there are Canon agents here promoting the Canon's iffy products who kill the voices that challenge them! Shame!

Joshua, I'm not writing a thesis on 7D focus and therefore need not to follow those academic procedures to get better results! I'm a serious photographer who has used a number of cameras in the last 50 years - and in most recent times, 350D to 500D to 5D and now 5Dll with no focus problems.

 

In view of the hassle which I'm having with a new 7D, my second camera, and reading dozens of other comments on the internet, my logical conclusion is that 7D has a design or serious quality control problem. What annoys me most are the Canon promoters who are bended to veil the 7D shortcomings and rubbish the well intended and reasonably experienced photographers.

 

The attached image was not captured under lab conditions but the way I normally capture, but has been very skilfully processed to make the point that 7D can give sharp image but only by processing, the level of which is far more than needed for the images captured by, say 5Dll. Therefore, the conclusion is that taking image by 7D is iffy while making the images by 7D might be okay!

 

BTW, does the image below indicate that the camera needs calibration?<div></div>

Upload the requested image(s), Keith please!

Keith, please upload 7D unprocessed/ unsharpened crops from 100% enlargement, please show us how inadequate some of us are in using this super 7D!

Keith, there is no problem in producing sharp images by sharpening them up using the software as seems to be the case in some of your links!

 

If you really want to plead for 7D focus, why don't you upload unprocessed crops from 100% enlargement!

 

As I said before, I have every right to be highly critical of the promoters of and promotional comments about 7D which influenced me to buy it.

 

I can't understand why you are so aggressive in your responses?

Very reassuring, Scott! When I said that in view of the countless negative comments about the focus on 7D on the Internet, the logical conclusion is that 7D focus problem could be a design fault, some loyal to 7D jumped on my throat!

I'm only interested to hear comments regarding the image below and also above (feb ...) - image cropped and re-sized - hand held using inbuilt flash and 17-55mm f2.8 IS on - manual mode - ISO200 4.5/250<div></div>

Thanks, Abbas! The lenses I use work fine with 5Dll as they did with 500D! I can get sharp images with 7D but by some sharpening like in the photo below:<div></div>

Puppy, this helps - frankly speaking I was hoping for guidance e.g. the best techniques to achieve good focus on 7D rather than being abused!

 

Still if there are some fair-minded users of 7D who could give me the benefit of their experiences regarding this matter, I will appreciate!

David, why are so worked up and defensive - after all it is a camera forum.

 

Yes, I'm disappointed with 7D which I added to my 5Dll after reading so much about it here and believing in it simply to find that perhaps it was all promotional stuff - I have simply wasted my money and this forum is partly responsible for it! This is precisely why I'm here!

Thanks! Are these photos with sharp edges unprocessed? Would be interesting to see the level of sharpness in 100% crops!

Share a 'sharp' image, please!

Perhaps those who promoted 7D would like to post any unprocessed photos to prove the 7D 'sharpness' - I have not

seen so much internet discussion about the focus problems related to one camera i.e. 7D.

 

I think 7D has focus problem by design and it does not need lab test conditions to prove this since other Canon

cameras don't need these sophisticated tests to prove that the photographers are at fault!

 

Without updating my camera habits or photo taking techniques or going through do this or do that, I had no focus

problem with my 500D and have no problems with 5Dll either!

<p>Are 5Dlll, Canon 24-105mm or 24-70mm better choices - well, it depends. I have 24-105mm f4 but extensively and happily use  Tamron 24-70mm f2.8 VC on 5Dll indoors and under available light, achieving better results than 24-105mm! Would I get better results with 5Dlll and Canon 24-70mm under similar conditions?<div></div>

Thanks for the positive suggestions, Philip!

Philip, "rude to people", please don't misread me.

 

In any case, are you judging the photo contents or the ethics? Still I have no indication whether the focus on 7D is about right given all the inadequacies in my photographic skills pointed out so far!<div></div>

Yes, Philip, as the text in the photos confirms and this was taking on board what was suggested in the previous thread! Source of lighting i.e. flash also remained in the same position for the shots.

Irene, yes these takes are the results of what has been previously suggested.

It is unfortunate that in criticising why I have started part ll of the thread, less attention has been paid to what I have said or the writing in the photos!