rui_lebreiro

Orville,

I read somewhere about a Zeiss commitment to deliver a digital Ikon. That would be great :) even if i suspect a quite high price tag.

Anyway about Ikon, I prefer black cameras. Maybe its kind of stupid... but i feel less "shiny" :)

May,

I never used a rangefinder before :\ (well, tried an M8 for a while if that counts)

I'm hoping there will be some more affordable digital RF cameras in a near future :) Maybe i try a film one meanwhile.

Cheers,

Rui

thanks guys, for your help :)

May,

Thanks on your kind words.

Michael,

Thanks on your kind words.

Well... of course one need to improve our skills, but sure a camera helps, mainly a silent one :)

Lance,

Thank link is awesome!! :)

Too bad it misses some cameras i'd love to hear (like contax and hexar). Anyway it's great, thanks! :)

aizan

the first, w/ a d300, let's say i was lucky :)

the second, w/ a g9... that's silent :)

thanks for your help

well, i really appreciate a quiet camera for street photography, and that's because i use very wide distance of

focus and shoot quite close to people

of course sometimes one is not supposed to shoot

people might suspect i took the shoot or not, but i definitely don't want them to be sure.

examples of photos where i absolutelly need a silent camera:

thanks,

rui

hi,

for me a camera being silent is one of its most important subjects, once into street photography

which are the most silent options out there? i head wonderful things about leica m6 (out of my budget and don't

think wise choice to invest such a big amount of money into film technology these days), hexar, etc

not so good things about the contax G2/G2 or the bessa's

i really like contax g2 (very wise choice IMO) and also the bessa's, w/ the "plus" of a possible M-mount here

are they much noisier than m6/hexar or other "silent" rangefinders?

i checked out on youtube but cannot find a movie clip w/ g2 noise operation

thanks in advance,

rui

matt,

i have strong principles

and the ends might not justify the means (in gilden's case, even the ends are worthless IMO)

and trust me, about magnum photographers, it's not only gilden (but let's not "dig deeper" as you say)

when people behave like superstars and stop respecting people... they loose everything

maybe that's when it starts the need to "impose", to get the shoot

"recognized" ?! risky word

jon, your favourite photographer belongs to magnum?

any of your 3-top favourite photographers belong to magnum?

gilden might have all the major awards in the world,

if he behaves w/ people like we see in the video, I say "no, thanks"

well, compare gilden w/ majoli and others... please

let's face it, who pays magnum these days?! i cannot figure who could be their clients

if you want real photo journalism you certainly won't call magnum. If you want artistic photo, you certainly

won't call magnum.

Then who?

I pretty much think magnum is kind of leica

they both have the name and the glory of old days, and live in that shadow

for now that's enough to keep breathing but in both cases, and unless serious changes are made, i don't know for

how long

<i> He seems to be careful in choosing whose face he's going to fire his flash at. For the most part they all

look old and/or non violent. </i>

Hum, after all he's aware ;)))

Bob,

I didn't change a think. I think what I've said time and time again. Sorry if i perhaps was not so concise in

some cases.

In fact you are right, there's nothing more to say: some of you share my initial thoughts, others don't, which is

pretty natural.

By the way, just let me tell you I've received several emails of people who shared my opinion but didn't want to

post here, apparently due to having the idea of unconsequente and "too warm" discussion going on.

I don't have that idea: everyone placed their thoughts, some more "warm" than others, the important is respecting

different opinions.

Again, i respect Gilden, and everyone who apparently love his work and even support his "style".

I just don't like it.

I never said "Europe" thinks like me. I said here in Europe, namely in Latin Europe, he risks getting beaten, and

that's true. Also someone mentioned other places.

I get the idea the exception here might be NY people, who seem to be, how should i say, more "permissive"?!

I never said HCB has my standards.

However everyone knows his photos, his videos, and his quotes...

And the following quote couldn't aply better to Gilden's work:

"Avoid making a commotion, just as you wouldn’t stir up the water before fishing. Don’t use a flash out of

respect for the natural lighting, even when there isn’t any. If these rules aren’t followed, the photographer

becomes unbearably obstrusive."

anyway, you think what you want.

i think what i want

we all live happy, and take many pictures :)

but i accept my standarts are not universal

but please accept i can have my own standards

in the beginning i've said "am i an "old traditional guy" (a 35 years old one) or some of you share my thoughts?"

so you can see i was already supposing some might agree w/ me, others wouldn't

<i>"... maybe gilden could learn something from it"...why should he? </i>

we can always improve ;)

Bob,

You are making your own assumptions. I didn't say that.

As I said before, when photographing people, respecting them is a matter of principles, not of "style".

Now, if someone thinks it's "cooool" to do what gilden does (which IMO is disrespecting people)... ok, different principles from mine. I respect it... just don't agree with it.

gilden's work might be considered better or worse, but w/ such an attitude towards people, no thanks!

one only fells the need to remove the video of a shooting action if using a method like this

if not, check out james natchey. His video is so famous, everybody has seen it. And people get delighted not only w/ the fantastic photos he captures but also HOW he does it, w/ such an amazing respect for people, for their sorrow, for their loss. So much respect that one get's amazed how people let him be so close the the action (and such deep emotion action) and keep shooting.

... maybe gilden could learn something from it.

I previously said:

"I can tell you if Bruce Gilden ever tries this ... "approach" in European latin countries, we risks getting beaten. And it's pretty obvious why."

This is the same racism (none!) as saying he'd probably get the same outcome in Harlem.

Rui

Matt,

If someone literaly jumps in your face and shoots you in the eyes like 50cm away, don't you fell... "invaded"?

Now imagine being done this w/ a flash.

This is exactly when "the photographer becomes unbearably obstrusive", HCB words.

Rui

Kostya,

Disrespect for the people photographed is disrespect for the people photographed, no matter where.

If NY people live happy with that, that's great for people who like BG's style.

Anyway and again, it's just my opinion. I respect others like it.

Rui

Jim and Edward,

I have no problem believing Bruce is a fantastic person and that can be very nice to people. It's not the person,

it's the style.

I don't know about you, and I even believe in NY it's "ok" if you shoot a flash on someone's face. In Europe it

isn't, it's rude and desrespectfull.

I'm aware his style is a new tendency, ok. I don't appreciate it but I respect others do.

Anyway it makes me sad to see Magnum when that way. Others might say Magnum is open-minded doing it. Opinions... :)

Rui

CPeter,

It's right on my first post:

Rui

Matt M,

If you still didn't have a chance of seeing it for yourself, people in latin european countries (spain, portugal, italy) are very friendly, open, sincere, trustfull.

You can chat 10 minutes w/ someone you just met, and have them invite you to lunch w/ their family.

People tend care about others, even if strangers on the street.

And being like that, so trustfull, of course also would fell offended in behaviours like those of Bruce Gilden.

Rui

Bob,

Maybe being "a member of Magnum", as you say, doesn't mean as much as it did in the past.

Try not to see it as a snob saying by me (i'm really noone in photography), but as an opinion i hear more and more in photographers these days.

The image of Magnum is the image of their photographers.

Rui