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Steve, your zonezero link is great in an "There is no Easter Bunny... grow up" kind of way. IMO the revelations in the article makes a mockery of the little tick box in photo.net galleries when you upload your photos where you have to say if the photo was manipulated in Photoshop.

<i>Sorry to burst anyones bubble but my understanding is that HC-B had no such qualms about staging shots and often asked people to pose/redo or continue to do something to get the shot he wanted.

 

I could be wrong but I have heard this from a few sources over the years.

 

To a certain extent who cares! </i><p>

 

If it was just somebody named Hank taking some very interesting photos, I'd say you were right. But considering the iconic holy grail of "The Decisive Moment", I'd say it makes a huge difference. I suppose next you're going to tell me that there is no Easter Bunny! Geesh... ;-) I personally am starting to feel very disillusioned.

Regarding the HC-B copyright Bob, doesn't it depend on where the copyright is held? You may be ok in terms of USA IP law but what about EU IP law. Since photo.net is trans-national I would guess that the HC-B photo is protected here in the EU where IP law is sometimes different and that whole ugly swirl of cross border internet issues may come to the fore.

I was slightly taken aback when I read that suggestion also. I don't know that I think it would be dangerous advice but any of us who have done street work know how hard it is to really capture one great moment let alone all the ones that HC-B managed to get. On the other hand, when I went to the Brassai show at the Hayward Gallery a few years ago, the curator of the show told me that Brassai also staged his shots. Others have told me he didn't. ahh, epistimology.

 

The other thing that I've been wrestling with is the implication that a shot isn't as good if it doesn't have people in it or that a shot is "just" a holiday snap without that classic decisive moment. In the history of art there is plenty of scope for landscape and still life work and street photography in its broadest sense has the same range of still life like shots of buildings, urban detritis, objects and architectural bits and bobs and there was something in the way I read Mike Johnston's article which seemed to dismiss that work because it didn't have people in it.

 

Last Thurs. evening I was in Soho doing some photography and in a seedy doorway at the end of Greek Street stood 3 chaps, one of whom was a heavy set man dressed in a sort of sloppy zoot-suit that you might have expected to find in a doorway of a 1920's speak easy or a cheap Havana hotel, the photo op was a perfect setup. But I couldn't get a good candid angle and I was bungling things up by staring at them through the throngs until these guys were eyeing me suspiciously like I might be "the enemy". Wanting the photo but not wanting to end up in concrete in the Thames, I just asked him if I could take his photo. He seemed perplexed, suspicous and one of the other chaps said... how much will you pay him? I pleaded poverty (well not hard work there) and said something like, "come on, I'm broke, its just for a photo, look it will look really cool". The guy said "for money", I said once more, "please?" but inside I just found it repulsive to start paying for the good shots that are out there. Just me and my 2p. YMMV

Jaime, what you're looking for is Rolleiflex's logotype typeface not typography which means the discipline of designing with type. In many cases, these logotypes are custom designed and there may or may not be a full set of letters and characters. Some of these corporate typefaces are publiclly availalbe (VAG Rounded ... Volkswagen AG=VAG) but many aren't.

 

Two suggestions. Each company has a this info written down. You can try emailing the Rollei people and asking their PR department for this info. The only email address I found for them was info@rollei.de (The USA subsidiary probably won't be much help). English shouldn't be a problem in writing to headquarters in Germany.

 

Alternatively look through some of the big type catalogs online and see if you find a typeface which strikes your fancy or seems similar. You may have to buy a copy of the typeface. Usually these are in the neighborhood of $40ish per face (italics regular is a face, italics black (like very bold) is a separate face, normal type is a face and so on).

 

Here's one site with lots and lots and lots and... http://www.agfamonotype.com/printer/

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http://www.adobe.com/type/main.jhtml

 

Hope this helps

Just to clarify further to Gabriel's post, make certain you have the More Options tick box ticked in the Print Preview dialog. I'm not a regular Elements user and I'm just trying to understand this myself because some of my customers ask a similar question.

 

However, if I understand your problem, you want to convert your image to the profile since you won't be printing locally. Elements doesn't seem to have a facility to do this. Using the print preview box allows you to print using the profile but not to save your file (except as a pdf) with the profile.

 

I also see no way of soft-proofing in elements, ie, you won't be able to see the effects of the profile. If its very different from whatever policy you set in the color settings, you may be in for a surprise.

 

In the color settings menu in the Photoshop Elelments menu (on mac osx) you only have 3 options. No color management, sRGB and Adobe 1998. If you choose Adobe 1998 then your colours probably won't get clipped as badly as in sRGB and perhaps you can ask the bureau to attach the profile when they print. I'm not sure what will happen if you tick No colour management. But in either case be prepared for surprises.

 

Perhaps other people know a way around this seeming brick wall.

I sometimes use Lutz Konermann's finger straps but since they are sized for my fingers they don't work well in winter with gloves so I haven't used them since late Nov. Personally I'd rather carry a camera in my hands than hanging around my neck but clearly there are going to be people who feel otherwise. The devil is always in the details of these things, does it scratch the camera, does it chafe the hands or wrist, does it make noise knocking against something, etc. But as you say... interesting.

Strong and very diverse work. I found her pinhole camera work at <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/travel/camera/index.html"> travelling light</a> especially appealing. Wow! Thanks for the link Deniz.

John, <p>

 

You might want to challenge the students with a theme more like the W/NW topics in the Leica forum. Some recent ones have been:<p>

 

Home Geography<br>

Looking<br>

Near Darkness<br>

People and their shadows<br>

City in winter<br><br>

 

Just go to the Leica photography index and scan down the titles.

Real World Color Management by Bruce Fraser et al is <i>the</i> book on color management stuff. If you want some good resources on the web, take a look at my resource page on color management <a href="http://www.stonequay.co.uk/links.html">here. </a>

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Erik, the new Adobe Photoshop for Photographers by Martin Evening for Photoshop CS is now out. I bought it yesterday and have only spent an hour or so with it but it looks really useful. I have a similar background (design and graphics) with lots of photoshop work and while the tools are the same, the strategies for photographic work are new to me. Anyway, on initial preview, the new Martin Evening CS book is worth checking out.<p>

 

Also, there are some useful sites which you may already know about.<br>

 

<a href="http://www.computer-darkroom.com">Computer Darkroom</a><br>

<a href="http://normankoren.com/">Norman Koren's Website</a>

Just to clarify my comments above, not all forums permit W/NW postings.

I guess my question would be, how do the people who use Minolta cameras feel about me responding to a W/NW on the Minolta forum with a photo I took with my xpan camera? What if someone takes an interesting wildlife, landscape, macro, etc photo with a Nikon and wants to set up a W/NW thread?

 

I have a collection of Urban landscape shots... many from my D300. I can't post a W/NW on the camera Forum because the Canon forum doesn't encourage W/NW and although I consider some of this "steet photography" its not People photography. So generally I would post these at the Leica forum because its "Leica like" whatever that means... Sigh...

 

A W/NW forum would clarify these issues although it apparently, like most things in life, would have plusses and minuses. I wouldn't want to have a detrimental effect on one of the less active forums as Sam mentions.

Ouch, sorry about that. W/NW litterally stands for Words/No Words and is a somewhat unique feature of the Leica forum. Someone will post a photo topic like "Solitude" and then post a photo which exemplifies that theme. Then others can either post a comment (words), a photo which fits the topic but without words or comments or both. It's a bit like a "salon" or Photo of the Week but more free form.

I did a search and couldn't find anything on this specific question so

excuse me if it has been dealt with.

 

Recently I've become a fan of the W/NW postings in the Leica forum and

I'm a Leica owner so that's cool. But I'm also a Hassie and Canon

owner and most other forums discourage W/NW postings. As a result more

and more photos on the Leica forum are not taken with Leica cameras

and I myself post non-Leica photos to the forum. The Leica folks are

willing to put up with that but there's a certain logical

inconsistancy which may have the practical effect of cutting off

people who don't read the Leica forum who might otherwise participate

in W/NW postings with interesting, creative or challenging images.

 

I don't think that W/NW photo postings play the same role as the

public photo folders. I personally maintain my own photo website which

I invite others to visit and prefer not to upload photos through the

cumbersome public photo folder tools. I also don't find the rating

system or vast bulk of comments the kind of feedback I'm looking for

to help my own work.

 

What I enjoy about W/NW is responding to the challenge of others to

find a photo that I've taken that matches some criteria that turns up

at breakfast time on the Unified Forums view and then seeing what

others have come up with.

 

It's popular in photography across the net to have a Picture of the

Week "contest or some such theme based photo "engagement" by a broad

group of photographers. I actually prefer W/NW to POW because its more

spontaneous and less restricting in that anyone can come up with a

topic at any time. I think that photo.net would be a more interesting

and complete photo portal with a separate forum for photo.net members

to post theme based images.

 

So what I'm proposing is a W/NW forum. I'm grateful to the Leica

readers who tolerate other cam photos taken but as I said, I believe

that this limits the spectrum of people participating.

 

Eric

Carsten

 

Thanks, given the impressive quality of your own work I feel well complimented. I've had good luck at the Tate...

 

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At Tate Modern

Thanks for the feedback Chris. Give us more feedback after the weekend please. I happily stand corrected about the warranty and find gearlust welling up. Breathe 1,2,3... breathe 1,2,3

Chris,<p>

 

Two questions which I forgot in my short time with the D2 at the dealer yesterday.

<br>First, what do you think of shutter lag?

<br>Second, what do you think of the weatherproofing of the camera (rubber seals or any signs of leakproofing)? <p>I too was generally pleased by the quality of the shots compared to the Canon 10D, Sony 828 and Olympus E-1 (see my post here: <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=007WIa">Click here</a>)<p> The only concern I had was some Chromatic Aberration of tree branches against the sky. Have you had a chance to test that?<p>

Mark, Chris... are you both in the US? Is it possible that the UK is offering a different warranty than the US? Or perhaps my dealer was wrong (but the statement was made with the Leica rep standing next to me!!)?