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Vivek thanks for your kind comment. I actually look forward to a camera with integration on human relations. By any way I wonder why a useful feature of D200 doesn't exists in D300!!!

I was very surprised when I discovered that my D300 do not work with the

built-in flash in continuous advance modes. Every D300 is defective by design

such that you only get one shot in the Cl or Ch modes with built-in flash! Every

thing OK with my SB-600. I really wonder which is the reason, but I feel

disappointed why they didn't informed me that before buying the camera. By any

way I wonder if there is a way to activate it in a later firmware upgrade.

Thank you Elliot, for your comment. You are completely right and I agree with you. The images are not manipulated and are both with NR off and sharpness 0, zoomed 100%.

One more test image at f/4.5 1/60 with the on camera flash. Lens 18-200VR 48mm.

"The Nikon D200 remains on sale at a tempting price and features pretty much the same build quality and design as its successor. The difference between 10 and 12 Megapixels is also not significant when it comes to real-life detail. The big differences are in terms of features, with the D300 boasting 100% viewfinder coverage, a 3in VGA screen, slightly faster 6fps continuous shooting, a much more sophisticated 51-point AF system, 14-bit processing, Live View and an HDMI port.

 

All nice features, but the final image quality won?t be much different. So if you don?t want or need the D300?s new features, you could go for a D200 and put the rest towards a decent lens. See our Nikon D200 review for more details." FROM Cameralabs http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_D300/verdict.shtml

 

I own bought cameras and I believe this too. My feeling is that in picture quality there is no difference till 800 iso, a light superiority at 1600 on D300 and 1 stop over 1600 iso. 10 to 12Mpixs make almost no difference. You decide if you need the extra features and the over 1600 iso high quality of D300. See also the comparison at

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM of images from both cameras. Capture NX 1.3 is very slow. So finally if 500-6oo$ is a valuable amount for you check every feature with much care, otherwise buy D300.

Anthony, you are right in everything!!! Happy to meet such an objective photographer. I will spend my time shooting this week end. Have a nice time.

Douglas, I didn't tell that you are a parrot and I am very happy for that. The more we think the best for our comments. Regards Michael.

Thank you Dave for your useful information. Go on your good work and don't give a damn to parrots.

THE SENSITIVITY OF THE HUMAN EYE."Notice that sensitivity is peaked at yellow-green

http://www.photo.net/photo/edscott/vis00010.htm

I let YOU my friends to explain to yourself what happens when the G color range of a photo is much better than B and R. So good night and good luck.

No matter how slow the film, Spirit always stands still long enough for the photographer It has chosen.

Minor White.

The camera is an instrument that teaches people how to see without a camera.

Dorthea Lange.

The camera doesn't make a bit of difference. All of them can record what you are seeing. But, you have to SEE.

Ernst Haas.

Noise is something different than color range and clarity. If they could

include 100iso at D300 they should do it..."which is the main channel because there are more of them in the byran pattern...". This is not true because all the colors are equal just the green transfers also the

information about lighting. By any way, I will stop this conversation and I will leave it up to the present, just for me and my personal friends. There is a phrase in Greek language. "Green horses". I will say from now and then instead of it, "Green channel". Happy to meet all of you. I am going to enjoy my hobby and I do not want to be a part of marketing war.

Dear Dennis, it's not so simple to make a general conclusion like this. This is right under some circumstances but not generally. Go to http://kammagamma.com/articles/nikon-d300-how-much-of-an-improvement.php

and you will see that Color range of D200 at 100iso RGB is 12,6/12/13 and D200 at 200iso RGB is 11/12,6/11,6 at 12 Bit and 11,3/12,6/12,6 at 14 Bit. That means that color range of D200 at 100iso at red,blue channel is better than D300 and green channel is a bit less. This is a fact and you may see it at my test image. That means that the image of D200 is more rich and nearer to the reality at 100iso. THIS IS THE ONLY SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSION FROM THIS TEST and generalizing from just a test has nothing to do with reality. Much more generalizations by a simple monochromatic images are unscientific.

Sorry that I didn't mention that these are 100% cropped and the image from D200 is resized in PS.

Dennis, look at this test from my comparison images.

Thanks the ADMIN for the clever movement.

Dear Anthony,

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I am from today a happy owner of a D300, sn 4038XXX. So, I will come back with my personal tests. I hope that you are right. PS. The question marks does not belong to their document it's a matter of fonts and browsers.

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From Cameralabs...http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_D300/verdict.shtml.

"...All nice features, but the final image quality won?t be much different. So if you don?t want or need the D300?s new features, you could go for a D200 and put the rest towards a decent lens. See our Nikon D200 review for more details."

If you visit http://kammagamma.com/articles/nikon-d300-how-much-of-an-improvement.php

you will see that D200 dynamic range is much better than D300 at 100 iso.

At 200 iso D300 is a bit better only in the green channel. The D200 dynamic range is also better than D300 at red and blue channel. That means that D200 is better in every aspect at 100 iso and also at 200 iso except at photography of nature. So please don't play with IQ ranges.

I said "By the way if you download images of D300 and D200 at 1600 iso and manipulate them at PS CS3, that I use, there is no difference at all between D300 and D200". So I continue to insist that this is right but only till 1600 iso. Of course at 3200 there is one stop SUPERIORITY of D300 than D200. AND DO NOT FORGET THE D200 SUPERIORITY IN DYNAMIC RANGE AT 100 ISO AND PARTIALLY AT 200 ISO. http://kammagamma.com/articles/nikon-d300-how-much-of-an-improvement.php

 

So my final conclusion is that for studio images and photography of high clarity and details D200 is better than D300. For documentary and sport photography and under very dim conditions the superiority of D300 is obvious.

Gordon Laing at Camera Labs says " For only slightly more than the Nikon D300 you could buy the Canon EOS 5D. The D300 trumps it in every respect bar one: the full-frame sensor. As you can see in our Nikon D300 Noise results, the full-frame Canon 5D may share the same resolution, but the bigger sensor allows it to out-perform both the D300 and Sony A700 at higher sensitivities. So if you?re looking for an upgrade in image quality and aren?t bothered about other features, the EOS 5D remains a contender, but be aware many are expecting a successor early in 2008. See our Canon EOS 5D review for more details."

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_D300/verdict.shtml

 

You may visit also http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

at I imaging resource to see the difference between D5 and D300 in image quality. (By the way if you download images of D300 and D200 at

1600 iso and manipulate them at PS CS3, that I use, there is no difference at all between D300 and D200).

 

So PR of Nikon is very interesting, because I believe also in the general superiority of Nikon over Canon. But Nikon fans, like you and me, should better press Nikon to get back the throne in every aspect from Canon and not overestimate the success of D300/D3.

I believe there are not bargains on eBay. I always prefer to buy new lenses or some lens I can check previously. Don't forget that lens is the top photographic material not the body. There are also damages during transport. That's why I never buy online fragile equipment.

Your conclusion is right Steve. This is one of my shots with 2200iso f/5, 1/125.

Photoreview Australia says. "Imatest evaluation showed the test camera's performance to be quite similar to the D200, particularly with respect to colour reproduction. Resolution, as expected, was slightly higher and lateral chromatic aberration was lower...However, for most photographers, the D300 is not a huge step up from the already very capable D200 - unless you require live viewing and the other improvements the new model provides. In terms of resolution alone, 10 megapixels is more than enough for top-quality A3+ prints. An extra two megapixels provides little in the way of noticeable improvements. Both cameras are beautifully constructed with well-designed and comprehensive control suites. Both are a pleasure to use and will deliver excellent results for knowledgeable photographers."

 

Gordon Laing at Camera Labs says also.

"All nice features, but the final image quality won?t be much different. So if you don?t want or need the D300?s new features, you could go for a D200 and put the rest towards a decent lens."

 

That's way I will wait for the next upgrade.