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    Upsala

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    What is relevant in contemporary photography?

     

    "No great artist ever sees things as they really are. If he did, he would cease to be an artist."

    -Oscar Wilde

     "What is relevant in contemporary photography? Photography is just many things. But there are amateurs policing the boundaries of what art and photography are. The photography has expanded in such a way that it’s really hard to define what it really is. So no matter what you say about photography, it is, by necessity, limited to a fraction of it.

    The more amateurish thinking you have, the higher you aim your ambition to find an anchor in an old practice or imitate Ansel Adams, in a kind of congealing of art photography around the set of values of the perfect image. But what about Diane Arbus or Walker Evans incapacity to print decently? Why believe that photos must have an impeachable veridical relationship to their subject matter, ever? A lot of the great Robert Capa or Brassaï pictures, for example, are staged pictures.

    The difference between descriptive and art photography is an obvious authorship marker."

    - Paraphrases from SFMOMA symposium.

     

    "It is rather amusing, this tendency of the wise to regard a print which has been locally manipulated as irrational photography–this tendency which finds an esthetic tone of expression in the word faked. In the very beginning, when the operator controls and regulates this time exposure, when in the dark-room the developer is mixed for detail, breadth, flatness, or contrast, faking has been resorted to. In fact, every photograph is a fake from start to finish, a purely impersonal, unmanipulated photograph being practically impossible."

    -"Camera Work, No.1, January 1903, by Edward Steichen(1879 – 1973, American photographer, painter, and art gallery and museum curator)

     

     "The falsification of photography didn't start with Photoshop, it started with photography. You could look at a photograph and form your own interpretation of it.Are we that much smarter now? Colin Powell appeared before the United Nations as Secretary of State and showed photographs of plants in Iraq that he claimed produced chemical or biological weaponry. On that basis we went to war."- Errol Morris on Photography and Reality

     There is a problem in the notion of good art as a good technical skill that can lead to success. A photo popularity ranking is random. Why a photo is popular may not have any answer. The attractiveness of a photo increases with the number of people liking it. The popularity play as large a role in determining the rank of a successful photo as the technical skills qualities. What we call talent usually comes from success, rather than its opposite. www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/magazine/15wwlnidealab.t.html

     In Henri Matisse time, his bold colors and distorted forms were outrageous. A century later, what was once shocking is now considered beautiful art. There are no rules of art that explain the evolution of art in history. Why would anyone think that their taste can predict what is necessary to make a work beautiful or meaningful?

    "If absolute truth were the only thing photography had to offer, it would have disappeared a century ago. Photography isn't merely a window on the world, it's a portal into the unconscious, wide open to fantasies, nightmares, obsessions, and the purest abstraction"- Vince Aletti, art editor and photography critic

    How much are manipulated photographs worth? The most expensive photograph was sold at Christie’s New York. Andreas Gursky's Rhine II became the first photograph to be sold at auction for over $4 million. It is a manipulated photograph.

     http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/art-news/8883801/The-ten-most-expensive-photographs.html http://jmcolberg.com/weblog/extended/archives/how_much_are_photographs_worth_and_why_are_we_talking_about_it/

     

  1. Jaipur, India - In India 30% of fairness creams are used by men. You have to be fair skin to be beautiful in South East Asia and the Middle East. Feelings related to beauty and attractiveness and marriage possibility are partially determined by the lightness of skin of women and men. The top heroes in cinema are fairer than their audience. In India's movie industry scripts often follow a strict skin-to-character correlation, with light-skinned actresses in the major roles and dark-skinned actresses relegated to supporting characters. A fair skin is like education, regarded as a social and economic step up.

     

    Historians trace the preference to Vedic times. Light skin often comes with a high caste, since India's higher caste people trace their ancestry, in part, to lighter-skinned Central Asian tribes that arrived in India thousands of years ago. Old miniature paintings have a rainbow of complexions, but the darker skins are of attendants and servers, while the royalty and privileged class are fair. In India's bazaar art the mighty Gods and Goddesses are rosy pink, except Krishna, who is the blue-skinned. Poems across the ages celebrates the marble-like body and the moon-faced. Ancient texts, which traditionally were read only by high caste Hindus, described various treatments to improve the color and quality of skin. The caste system introduced by north Aryan invaders, fair skin, pushed down the local Dravidic dark skin communities, through the untouchability, and even those who were not untouchables had to reckon with being seen as inferior to others. With the British Raj colonialism race-thinking came to India again.

  2. In India there are 39% of illiteracy in age 15 and over , and from 8

    to 60 million, depending on the source of information, of children in

    child labor. But the lower castes want to change this through education.

    Upsala

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    Thank you all for the criticism. I need to make some considerations about reality, photoshop and art.

     

     

    My blue iceberg is a real thing. There are an explanation of blue ice and icebergs here:

    "http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/blue-icebergs.shtml". To see blue icebergs like this, search google image or flickr, for example "http://www.flickr.com/photos/mshandro/2325728935/"

     

    I've never heard a photographer complain about another photographer using the technology of grad ND filter, polarizer, flash or a changing film type to alter how colors are presented, yet I've heard them complain about using Photoshop. For some reason, filter or flash is okay, but computer technology is not. All this seems to be less about "capturing reality" and more about "fear of Photoshop". If working hard a photo before the shutter click is your criteria of value why would you not like to shoot with a daguerreotype?

     

    A photographer can tell whatever story he wants without violating the "reality", he show only what he wants to show to emphasize his interpretation. Why photography implies veracity if it is a a choice of perspective and interpretation of the photographer and depends of the public interpretation too? Why after shutter click manipulations and interpretations are more important than manipulations and interpretations before the shutter click? Is not all this a personal choice or a personal "lie"? Are captive animals shots shown as "wildlife" shots and staged acting shown as "spontaneous" street shots more "real" than photoshop cloning out powerlines, and other undesirable picture elements?

     

    What is more important to you as a potential buyer, a concern with an image's "reality" or the artistic impact of the image? See the landscape photos at photo.net. How much of the visual word we all live in is represented at photo.net? 2%? Why the conceptual separation between painting and photography is important to the modern art? In the modern art the concepts of sculpture and painting for example are in permanent change. Do you know really when you see a photo of "reality"? Really?

     

    Ansel Adams in his book "Examples: The Making of 40 Photographs", pag 162, says he disappeared a prominent graffiti in the photo "Winter Sunrise". Pag 40, in the very famous photo "Moonrise" the sky has been burned to black to highlight the moon--in earlier prints you could still see all the clouds. "His final, expressive print, is not how the scene looked in reality, but rather how it felt to him emotionally." In the book "Ansel Adams: Some Thoughts About Moonrise", by Mary Street Alinder, 1999.

     

    Robert Capa made no pretense of journalistic detachment during the Spanish Civil War, he was Communist partisan of the loyalist cause, and was known to photograph staged maneuvers, a common practice at the time. He staged Republican attacks on Fascist positions during the Spanish Civil War and filmed them, noting that they looked "more real" than if they had actually taken place. "The Capa Cache", New York Times, Randy Kennedy, January 27, 2008 and "Blood and Champagne: The Life and Times of Robert Capa" by Alex Kershaw, ed Macmillan.

     

    W Eugene Smith "laid a silhouette in the corner of a photograph of Albert Schweitzer, and paid actors to pose as rural villagers, and made subjects repeat over and over again for his camera actions that Smith later presented as spontaneous." In "W. Eugene Smith: His Techniques and Process" by Paul T. Hill in "W. Eugene Smith: Photographs 1934-1975", Harry Abrams, 1998.

     

    Robert Doisneau most recognizable work is "Kiss by the Hotel de Ville", a photo of a couple kissing in the busy streets of Paris, presented as spontaneous. In 1993 Doisneau admited that he actually posed the shot in 1950 using actor/models. http://www.famouspictures.org/mag/index.php?title=Kissing_Couple

     

    Art Wolf "Copied and pasted five additional cubs into his photograph of a cheetah mother originally photographed with only one cub." In Kenneth Brower "Photography in the Age of Falsification" in Atlantic Monthly, May 1998.

     

    "On the morning of September 11, in New York, an experienced photojournalist, Thomas Hoepker, shoot a group of young people sitting by the waterfront with the plume of smoke rising across the river. The New York Times saw the photograph as a prescient symbol of indifference and amnesia. To one of photo subjects "we were in a profound state of shock and disbelief, I denounced Hoepker for not trying to ascertain the state of mind of the photograph's subjects and for misinterpreting the moment." In "How the Truth Gets Framed by the Camera" by Louis P. Masur in "The Chronicle Review" November 23, 2007.

     

    Galen Rowell: "One of the biggest mistakes a photographer can make is to look at the real world and cling to the vain hope that next time his film will somehow bear a closer resemblance to it.If we limit our vision to the real world, we will forever be fighting on the minus side of things, working only too make our photographs equal to what we see out there, but no better."(http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/personal-style.shtml)

     

    Eddie Adams, the AP photographer who snapped the photo of South Vietnamese General Loan executing a defenseless Vietcong prisoner, and earned a Pulitzer Prize for the picture, says: " People believe in photographs, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't say was, what would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American soldiers?" Just moments before that photo had been taken, several of General Loan men had been gunned down. One of his soldiers had been at home, along with the man's wife and children. Adams discovered that Loan was a beloved hero in Vietnam, to his troops and the citizens and fought for the construction of hospitals in South Vietnam.

    National Review Online, Jonah Goldberg, August 26, 1999

     

     

    Invisible

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    Thank you all for the appreciation.

    This is a shot of the tendency of people to conform to mass behavior without critically thinking about the results of their action or inaction.

    Upsala

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    Thank you all for the appreciation.

     

    But attention philosophers and arbitrators of what is real and what is art: Do not disparage your criticism by lack of knowledge:

     

    There is a page in Wikepedia about "glacial blue ice" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_%28glacial%29

     

    There is another photo and explanation of blue ice in this page :

    http://webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/5C.html

     

    Frans Lanting has a famous photo of blue iceberg in his site

    http://www.franslanting.com/gallery/index.php?pageId=100&id=14944&start=0&lightbox=&search_mode=advanced

     

    or search "blue" and "iceberg" in advanced search mode in Frans Lanting stock photography page: http://www.franslanting.com

     

    Or search "blue iceberg" in "Yahoo Images" or "Google Image" or "Ask image", after some pages you will see something similar.

     

  3. Raf, thank you very much, now I can better explain the phenomena.

    The most common name of the phenomena is "anticrepuscular rays" :

     

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2819553.stm

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticrepuscular_rays

     

    http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/atoptics/anti1.htm

     

    http://epod.usra.edu/archive/epodviewer.php3?oid=37120

     

    etc

     

    See this incredible photo:

    http://www.sundog.clara.co.uk/atoptics/skywide.htm

     

    Regards,

    Ricardo

  4. Raf, I didn't know the necessary circumstances, but high latitudes can be necessary. I took this shot near Puerto Natales city in Chile and you took the shot in New Zealand. The soft light of high latitudes can be necessary do give contrast. I think the normal it is the rays convergence in this cloud shadow, because this light source is not the punctual light of sun, but the difuse light reflections in high atmosphere.

    Upsala

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    Iceberg - Upsala Glacier - Argentina -

     

    Blue ice occurs when snow falls on a glacier, is compressed, and

    becomes part of a glacier. During its travels, all of the air bubbles

    that are trapped in the ice are squeezed out, and the size of the ice

    crystals increases, making it clear. The ice is blue for the same

    reason water is blue. Namely, it is a result of an overtone of a OH

    molecular stretch in the water which absorbs light at the red end of

    the visible spectrum. (From Wikipedia )

    Waterfall #2

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    Marcelo, voce tentou tambem com velocidade alta esta foto? Talvez em velocidade mais alta desse mais definicao a agua. Esta me parecendo ser a cachoeira das cariocas. Ficou boa a definicao de cor e composicao. A luz de meio dia e muito forte e o contraste fica alto, mas ficou legal. Abracos, Ricardo

    Untitled

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    A Baia da Guanabara da oportunidades fantasticas para a fotografia. Gostaria de um dia poder subir nos morros de Niteroi ao entardecer para explora-las. Tenho visto fotos de beleza impar. Abracos, Ricardo

    Untitled

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    O jardim Botanico e tao rico em possibilidades fotograficas! Desejo voltar la para explora-las mais a fundo. Nesta foto uma das que posso considerar e uma questao que eu ainda nao consegui desenvolver muito bem nas minhas proprias imagens: a definicao da imagem. Abracos, Ricardo.
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