John Peri

Well, let's say I am from that era too. Fred, be yourself .. we like you just as you are .. simply learn to accept others also.

My thanks to William for moving this topic to an appropriate section ... I plead ignorance despite my century spent on PN

Double standards: It’s a cliché, but as it is customary to say, I maintain that it is all in the eye of the beholder. By attempting to say otherwise, you are just trying to denigrate the author, me on this occasion! No problem, I can take it, but it merits a response. Actually, in my view, your description may well fit better some of the somewhat sad, nude or in drag images of effeminate men posted on PN that I referred to further up. But that’s just a viewpoint and it has no standing, who am I to judge or dictate to others how they should perceive them. Are they titillation, certainly not for me, but for others possibly, who knows?! Is that a reflection on the author or his purpose, frankly I don’t think so, it’s just his (read your) viewpoint, his preference and his style. Come to that, I doubt whether you are really titillated by my pictures! Ultimately, one should learn to live and let live, and express the same tolerance and understanding of others that one aspires to oneself. I try to do this, possibly not always with success, however I have never criticized these works before either directly or through attempted sly, somewhat offensive comments like the ones you slip into our pages, albeit in a more moderate style than under the previous management. As I and others have told you more than once before over the years Fred, find a life, there’s room for you, there’s room for everyone else here too, the more the merrier and vive la difference.

What may be perceived as titillation by some can be seen as art to others, it depends on an individual's taste and orientation. There is also a cultural distinction involved which I referred to above. That said, adult nude photography is not confined to women alone. I have seen explicit nude images of men on our pages, others in drag etc., which can equally be perceived as catering to some people's source of arousal, if that is what titillation is meant to imply. How much we relate any of these to artistic expression or not depends on the viewer.

What thread, no one wants to disrupt anything. In the old days, it was easy to check if a photo had already been posted by searching in a particular folder. Today unfortunately, if in doubt one would have to search through a thousand pictures or so (in my case), which is not feasible. However, what I was pointing out is that the present system can cope with it, since double postings appear side by side and one can remove one of the two, which is excellent.

I don't think I have any more double images, so I don't know how to repeat it. I was on my page as in screen shot attached and simply scrolled down the page .... when ever a photo had been posted twice, at different time intervals, they nevertheless appeared next to each other .. in each case, I removed on of the two ..

.. All it requires is an equal tolerance and respect for another’s point of view.

What may be perceived as titillation by some, I have even seen Vogue Magazine accused of that, can be seen as art to others; it very much depends on an individual's taste and orientation. There is also a cultural distinction, which is largely what I was referring to above. That said, adult nude photography is not confined to women alone. I have seen explicit nude images of men on our pages, which can equally be perceived as catering to some people's source of interest or arousal, if that is what titillation was meant to imply. How much we relate to any of these as artistic expression or not depends on the viewer, and so it should be.

During the time when her husband was President of the French Republic, I saw a full length, frontal nude, life-size photo of his wife, super-model Carla Bruni exposed at the Grand Palais that was taken by the photographer Jean-Baptiste Mondino. No one raised an eyebrow, least of all him. Why is there such hysteria in some societies around the subject of nudity, though thankfully less so in France. By all means protect children against obscenity, vulgarity, violence, but adult nudity per se?