jean_.

These photos simply don't fit into our vision of how the world should be. Some informations are convenient, and call us for action - i will not stir up the usual discussion - others are disturbing, and thus are ignored. Like the turkish army slaughtering kurdish people. Who wants to see that, turkey is an ally and useful in many aspects, so please keep quiet. A few minutes of footage made it on german tv, where a kurdish village was demolished and the inhabitants chased away. This country is even on the edge of joining the eu, go figure. Nobody cares for sudan, or even timor.. Indifference is one of the most horrible things, hopefully such photos do change something in the end. At least they witness these crimes..

Come on fellows, he was not asking for the worlds best scanner at all. For internet purposes, selecting images to print and organizing the negs really any scanner will do. I use the epson 2450 just for the same purpose, and eventually even use the scans for a print up to a4. Ultimate qualitiy it is not, but that was neither in my budget nor what I needed. More important is that it scans two strips at once, the successor even 3, and so I don't have to spend hours scanning a film.

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Now for top-notch quality imacon would be the best, but if you know what you need, as it seemed to me in the question, get a flatbed which scans up to 18 frames at once. For the money you save you can have beautiful wet prnts of your selected frames, that will be much better than any digital b/w print. For what reason ever, b/w digital prints are not very good, unfortunately.

4 photographers covering a wedding, I'm impressed. Is this a new kind of "keeping up with the jones"? Could be a relief for the pro photographers, though! I second Max's suggestions, and add that you best focus on getting the shots that are hard to get with the digicams, to give your work a strong character of it's own. I avoid to call it rangefinder style or something ;-)

Max, I disagree. The ad is perfect! To give it legitimation (which it doesn't need), it reminds me of Jeanloup Sieffs work for Harpers Bazaar, he had a lot of discussions about the exact same topic. His ads are stunning, I can't imagine how the customers must have been impressd by them back in the 60s. And since he became a very famous an sought after photographer especially for ads, the commercial succes must have been evident, so like always there is no rule, or rules are meant to be broken..

I have a 50 cron, same thing happened to me while focussing. Scared me lot, but after posting here I learnt that it's fine, that lens is supposed to be able to unscrew the lens from the focussing mount (for visoflex or some other exotic option).

 

If your lens is so easy to unscrew, rest assured that it's meant to be that way. Lenses are very hard to take apart where theyare not supposed to. Screw it back together and enjoy..

canon had (or still has?) a system where the camera follows your eye and focusses on what you're looking at. I thought that's cool, but apparently the consumers did not..

The meter of my mid-90s M6 meters nonsense only, after fooling around with possible fixes I finally took out the batteries and use an incident meter. Not really convenient, and somehow defeats my idea for buying an M6. I really don't know what can break in that meter, but then everything that can break went wrong in my camera.. so I decided not to send it in anymore for repair, the day it quits completely I'll sell it as is and see if I'll get another M or go digital or whatever. I did however newer hear of any meter problems until now.

I remember, after I got my leica, I felt almost guilty for it, like

carrying a gold bar, and hated to admit to anyone how much I paid (it

was a used m6). <br><br>I found out that the reason for this is that

the average person considers it an obscene amount of money for a

simple camera. While of course I could pretend to be indefferent to

what the average person thinks, truth was that it took me a while to

get used to the shock and awe that my new toy produced.<br><br>

The average person, however, is full of crap himself, and considers

it perfectly resonable to mortgage whatever is available to buy a

car. He considers it perfectly reasonable that that car (he's drowned

in debt now) becomes obsolete in 12 months, and is ready to sell it

at huge loss and get the new one. Everybody does this in germany, and

no one would consider this insane or at least unreasonable.<br><br>

And btw, a set of tires cost more than my leica, and a mandatory

check at the garage equals all my lenses.<br><br>

So, in the end, it's only a matter of your value system. In the

consumer

world it's normal to spend a years salary for a car, and a camera is

considered to be very expensive at $1000, but should have a huge zoom

and all bells and whistles then.<br><br>

Who cares.. If I could afford it I certainly would drive a classic

280SL and enjoy my trip to the grocery. But I could afford that

leica, made a lot of pics, and now I really give crap if anybody

considers it unappropriate ;-)

Nobody ever learns anything, that's why in 2004 this world is still

shattered with war and terror, just like it was in 1944 and in 404

and I assume in 4004 bc. The only difference is that now, many things

happen right at our doorstep, even in the netherlands.

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As far as things go, the ongoing development is perfect for any anti

democratic activist. Freedom and democracy are going down with

amazing speed, and little efforts seem to be made to defend them. I'm

afraid that in the future the 90's will be regarded as the "good old

times" that will never come back. Perhaps even the cold war will be

considered a relatively comfortable period.

I use a thin version. Yes, it flares just like yours. Never use it

without the hood, and avoid light sources in or close to the frame.

While otherwise it is a nice lens, it's flare characteristics help to

cure irrational leica mystique, and very likely the voigtländer tele

outperforms it in every aspect, especially flare. How at leica they

got away with that design is beyond me - had i bought this lens new

back in the 80s paying an arm and a leg, I would have been quite

upset. Since i sniped it at ebay, well.. i don't complain to much,

however i did lose many nice images due to flare.

I painted a movie camera orange, it looks very good, much more 70's than the original dark grey. As to a yellow (or orange, in my case ;-) leica, well - forget about resale value, but enjoy a really unique camera. The purists will be shocked, of course. But not a big deal to shock those, a tiny scratch in the bottom plate will do..

Description in german, but you'll find the measures in the text. Leave

the handheld availabe light photography to the kids, this is the real

thing! To bad it's not black paint..<p>

 

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=26844&item=3844116305&rd=1

You didn't use the nocti? I had one for a while, and must admit that

after a while it became almost my normal lens, I just loved the new

opportunities that lens gave me. However the weight and bulk were

very inconvenient.. still miss the noctilux! But then I do love

photographing at night and in dark indoors.

 

The 3e, well.. yes, I always am interested in that lens, and probably

I'd be very happy with it, however the f4 scares me away everytime I

think about it.

Trevor, I did not mean to insult anybody, sorry for that! The "nerd" is used so frequently at work among colleagues to describe the sometimes peculiar characterisics of early adopters (which I also am, in many areas), that I did not think of it as an insult. My apologies for that!

it's a different market, especially digicams are intended for

computer nerds, not photographers. And these folks are just happy

with as much fiddling and submenus as possible, they love to play

with all functions (mostly useless effects), and don't care that much

about the photo.

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Feature lists otoh have always been mandatory for success, so in the

worst case you get the worst from both worlds!

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I remember a canon consumer digicam that I could not operate without

checking the manual, since the multifunctional knob had no clear

indication when the photo mode was active. A friend of mine, a total

computer nerd, was incredibly happy with the camera.

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To be fair, most of the cameras I checked lately were well designed

and quite useful. The basic functions were readily available, and the

load of special effects did not come into the way.

Kris, action shots is the title of the thread, isn't it? Your pics

could as well be done with a blad on a tripod.. So please impress

us with a landing bird frozen in motion at 1/2000sec, shot handheld

with some IS ultrasupertele ;-)

Folks, zeiss is a <i>very</i> serious and even more conservative

stone-age old german company, the hoax theory does not suit their

entire corporate image and tradition. As for the mockup, it is common

to make mockups long before the actual product is finished for

photographing, and many times the mockup photos stay in use..

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<h3>My personal top 5 of frequently discussed non-issues</h3>

 

<h4>Number 1: Frameline accuracy</h4>

This is one of the most discussed non-issues IMHO. The frameline fetish seems as irrational to me as a megapixel or zoomrange count.. But in these discussions everybody seems to carefully compose their images through fences and make full frame reproductions of valuable documents, and get frustrated by parallax and framing errors.

 

<h4>Number 2: DOF preview</h4>

Next in line is DOF preview. If I believe what people say in discussion forums, this is the most vital feature of an slr, (and I presume the folks have a night sight device handy to check DOF at f22). And not the humblest pet, sunset or child pic can seriously be taken without carefully checking DOF.

 

<h4>Number 3: Film loading.</h4>

Oh yes, these japanese camera backs are more convenient. And no leica owner ever entered the top100 of the yearly "fastest to put 25 rolls through his camera" contest. Manual film transport and backwinding, however, are not mentioned as much.

 

<h4>Number 4: Rangefinder patch flare</h4>

Unfortunately, this happens. And irritates. Never lost a pic because of it, however.

 

<h4>Number 5: My Leica is more rugged than your XY</h4>

No, it isn't.

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Have a happy life, and don't fret over features you don't need. If you need them, then get the tool that offers it - it's that easy :o)

And whenever a neg needs cropping, then crop it. Never understood that fetish, either.</p>

Funny discussion, somehow a little retro, just like a debate "how does vhs compare to video2000". Reminds me of the battles going through the net some 2 years ago, when the D30 came out.<br><br>

 

Interesting is the fact that academic vs. real world are so completely out of sync. While under ideal circumstancs a drum scanned tech pan sndbagged tripod shot surpasses a 10MP digital one, well.. in the real world a 6mp digicam would easily compete with all average pics shot on film. Add to this the MF and LF comparisons..<br><br>

 

I'd say stick to what you like. I prefer my leica as a tool for photographing - it is as simple as this. No need to rationalize, and make up academic situations where my film could match a high end dslr. It won't - at least not resolution wise. Most likely a 6mp digicam with IS would already leave it in the dust. But I have a DOF to play with, a couple of lenses with unique look, authentic film grain, dynamic range.. and my camera doesn't have to boot up before being able to do anything.

Wow, what an essay. Thanks for sharing, and as much as it is

completely polemic and goes way over the top (obviously the purpose

of the essay is an attack on male behavior), it contains a grain of

truth of a possible aspect of photography.

 

What sometimes catches my interest is the fact that hobbies in

general are a male domain - I personally don't know a single woman

that has a hobby, but every dude I meet enjoys at least one.

 

Giving it a second thought, many females (at least in europe) are

totally obsessed with the private lifes of the few remaining royal

families and the abundant stars and starlets, while no man I know

gives a crap about them. I guess that's a sort of hobby, too.

You might also look at the current prosumer digicams, they also don't

suffer both from mirror slap and reloading is easy - and they should

be completely silent, the focussing could make some noise however.

Her films are nothing to write home about, the subject and historical

interest overweigh anything else, and are the reason for her fame - a

lot of better films have been made in pre-war (and pre-nazi) germany.

 

The films are OK, and certainly she is both a good photographer and

filmmaker and nazi, but these films are absolutely not the work of a

genius. Olympia has some bright scenes and many boring lenghts, the

propaganda fils are just that - propaganda, and the subject makes it

hardly bearable for me to sit through the entire film.

The dirtiest quick fix ever: a strip of transparent tape on the rf "arm" of the lens. Unbelievable, rf is 100% right now. Repair cost - below $0.01

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