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<p><a href="/photodb/user?user_id=109486">Arthur Richardson</a><a href="/member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub10plus.gif" alt="" /></a>, Sep 03, 2013; 05:07 a.m.</p>

 

<p>Shun, the reason why I state Adorama bashing is simple. Peter bought a camera that did not meet his expectations. In my opinion he should contact Adorama first and offer them the chance to set things straight for him before posting here. I have no business with Adorama, it just didn't seem fair to me.</p>

 

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<p>To be fair to me, I simply asked if that was a high number of actuations. I wasnt bashing adorama, i was asking about my camera I received as it was my first refurb. Why dredge this up as an issue now? I already said it wasnt as has Shun.</p>

 

<p>As the original poster I have only great things to say about Adorama. If that is what you are seeing its not from me nor am I in agreement with it. I think its more people hashing about what a refurb definition is etc. Helen has been nothing but stellar in her replies and attitude. Personally I am surprised people keep posting. At this point if I could figure out how I would delete the whole thread... Peter</p>

<p>That's what I am thinking. If I had that number of actuations this would never have come up. That is quite a disparity.</p>

<p>Sorry Helen I was just trying to point out that you guys are top notch and that person may not be dealing with a reputable dealer.</p>

<p>Well Helen told me they are not allowed to open refurb packages per Nikon but if its true you made out much better than I did. If you get it please post what it is. I am curious.</p>

Guys i havent returned it yet. Stop with the sarcasm already.

I guess I will finally chime in here. Its kind of like the thread is going toward the direction of a blood letting here (mine) because

the tone is starting to go a bit neg in regards to my questioning if this is too many shots for a fairly new refurb. A few details I didnt share is

that the body and accessories show a bit more wear than I feel they should. For example the plastic cover screen shows

a lot of scuffing. Big deal right? But that makes me think how did that get like that to begin with. The one on my 5 year old

camera that has traveled the world with me, driven thousands of kilometers and passed many customs is in better shape

by far. I did a lot of research prior and most folks said often the cameras were like new including actuations. This amount

shocked me and I stand by that. What I dont like are comments like I am more interested in worshipping the camera etc.

Its not that at all, because what I think is that someone bought the camera, used the hell out of it and then returned it to

avoid paying for it. Happens all the time. This is not a fair comparison to 10000 miles on a car. Its not the same because

you cant drop the car. :) That said, I did reach out to Helen and I will evaluate the camera but its unlikely I will keep it

because I can do better and honestly my money my choice. Refurb or not 1600 is not cheap and whats at stake here is

that I wonder if that previous owner abused the camera. Kinda like buying a used car from a smoker. No matter what you

do that smell always comes back. Thank you Helen and Adorama for letting me decide what to do and I agree with her, to

me this is now a closed issue.

<p>Hi All, got a question. I bought a refurb D600 that I just unboxed from Adorama and I was expecting some light usage, like maybe up to 500 pictures. However this thing has over 5000! This to me is not refurbished but rather used. I am headed to portland where I planned to get a lens no tax. Should I send this back to Adorama and just get a new one? I am kind of upset by the count. Peter</p>

<p>Correct me if I am wrong but isnt this is some ways like going from a 2007 BMW 535 to a 2013 Kia? Seems like a step in the wrong direction. I could totally get say a D7000\7100 but why go to the bottom end? I say if you think you want that, buy the d3200 and keep the D200. You wont get much for it anyways same as trading in a used car.</p>

<p>Personally I have had some lovely pictures with mine. I just bought a D600 and if you want a shot at a mint lens with boxes and less thank 5k shots, give a holla. :) Its not the VR2 though. Circa 2008.</p>

<p>George, you should call them. Its possible its malfunctioning and they can probably finish it over the phone. I ordered mine just 5 days ago (aug 18). I doubt they discontinued this.</p>

<p>George take another look. I signed up for the vip for free first then ordered and I got the option. Here is the link. Its still available and the registation is free at the moment but I dont know for how long that promotion will go. Let me know how it works out.<br>

http://www.adorama.com/pages/vip</p>

@Andy, i just ordered a refurb D600 w

vip. Still active!

<p>I appreciate the sentiments but lets not lose focus of my original question which is what to do with my current lenses. Photography is an art and its totally subjective. The medium is irrelevant. I have a cousin in Spain who is very famous and succesful using thinned oil and water colors that the purists would decry as inferior. My point here is its not the tool but the hand that wields it and that hand ultimately makes its choice. I wanted to ask for some experience with different lenses and the perspective but its kind of going more toward you should buy this not that, which has lost the message I think. I am pretty much decided on the 24-120 at this point and I am at peace with that great or not. I thank everyone and I have made my decision. Below is what I have decided.<br>

sell: D80 (never in question), 50mm, 70-300 and 18-200.<br>

keep: 85mm.<br>

buy: 24-120.</p>

<p>Also Andy in reference to your post, I am not concerned about the money for that lens because I want a longer range than the 85mm. With a 50 and an 85 already in pocket its not really giving me much I don't have. I want that lens because its a compromise of size, weight and price that I am comfortable with. I am not against other lenses but at this point that is my decision and if the D600 checks out ok I will get it in a few weeks on my trip to PDX. Also to whoever suggested the point and shoot, you missed the point no pun intended. :) I thank everyone for the replies, in particular those who gave detailed thoughtful responses. Peter</p>

 

<p>Jim I dont have a 24-85. I am pretty much set on a 24-120 F4 for the starter and my 85mm. 50mm on the fence but its cheap. The rest I have already decided to dump once I mess with the D600 and make the decision to commit and it passes the defect check test etc as its a refurb. As for other lenses after that, I am going to give the one I buy soon a lot of love along with my 85mm and just see what I grow into once I master what I have. :) Sadly I haven't seen the motorcycle rider made of cash rolling around my hood.</p>

<p>Oh and Andrew thank you for the detailed earlier reply. I have actually reread it a few times to have it sink in. It was extremely informative and detailed and I thank you for the time you spent to write it. Of all my lenses I feel only the 85mm is really worth keeping at this point. Its all a matter of prioritizing and selling etc. I will buy the lens from BB when I go to Portland next month so I can skip tax AND use the 18 month finance. The body I am paying off with savings. I hate paying interest. :)</p>

<p>Thanks for that. Out of curiosity does anyone know if there are compatibility issues with the SB600 flash and the D600? I have been digging on that and getting mixed messages.</p>

<p>BTW anyone have any opinions on say sigma, Tokina, etc alternatives to Nikkor that are in the similar range but less money? I hear good things about Sigma stuff for instance as a cheaper alternative. I have never bought anything but Nikon but wonder if I am doing myself a disservice with that.</p>

<p>@Peter good to know. Thanks.</p>

<p>Ok thanks guys. Much of this I was already in tune with since I covered some with Wouter on a separate thread. The 18-200 I don't think I will bundle w D80 as separately I think I can make more but I will just see what happens. Ill try CL first to try to avoid ebay fees. I don't really have the money to buy too many lenses and while I appreciate the thought of the 24-85 which I have thought about but I figure I might want a bit more range as this is a big money item for me so I gotta balance desire vs wants vs needs and long term practicality. The 85mm I will keep, the 50 I doubt I will. I will likely hold on to the 70-300 for a bit until the time comes I can afford a suitable replacement. For a big honking lens I wonder if at that point the 80-400 doesn't become the dream. That said I would need to see those in person and feel the weight etc to decide. Likely I would rent one for a weekend first before I just spend the cash. The 24-120 just seems to make sense and its a set focal range and well regarded by folks I really respect enough to take the chance to buy it blind. Fortunately the places I shop have great return policies. :) Just in case.</p>

<p>Hey all looking for a few thoughts I hope based on personal experience. I have a D600 en route and I am trying to make a decision on lenses. I have been doing reviews etc and i have more or less come to the conclusion that the 24-120 AFS Vr lens is the best fit for my primary use lens. I have some other lenses and I am trying to decide if I should just ditch or not. See below:<br>

<br />Old AF 50mm f1.8/ I bought it for 100 with my original N80 way back when. Its a wash and likely I may bundle it with D80 when I list for sale. Should I just keep it? Its not really a big money item.<br>

<br />85mm AF F1.8 I bought right before the AF-s update. I see no reason top replace this. I intend to keep it.<br>

<br />70-300 f4-5.6 ED AF. This is not a VR or AF-S. Bought it for the N80 in the day. Never really loved it or used it much. I spent extra money for the ED glass but I just dont love it. I will try it on the new body but if I sold, what do you think its worth. it like my other lenses is MINT and I have the boxes (just that way).<br>

<br />18-200 VR (rev 1) that I bought for my D80 back around 2008-2009. This is worth probably the most of everything and it is not heavily used. I was originally intending to use it with the D600 but now I wonder if I should just try to sell as much as possible to pay for a new lens.<br>

That said, the 28-300 sounds interesting but I think I want a better lens with less weight for my primary. This lens probably makes my cheap 50mm pointless. Thoughts on any or all of this? I have all original boxes and paperwork and nothing has been abused but time and depreciation always takes its toll. Just curious what you guys think is worth keeping outside the 85mm. If I opted to replace that one day I would suck it up and get the F1.4 so not today.</p>

<p>Thanks, Peter</p>

i just ordered a refurb d600 from adorama with the vip warranty. Ill let ya know what I think. Nervous a bit but its adorama

so not too worried.

Simple. Rent a Justin Bieber concert DVD and then play extremely loud and set the camera in front of the tv and leave

the house. The insect will kill itself in short order...

<p>Thanks all for the replies. As you can see from my late night full wine belly order post time, I pulled the trigger on a refurb from Adorama. Its funny because I bought my D80 from them in 2008 also. So since its only a body I will work with the lenses I have for now though I plan to sell my D80, and probably the 50mm (throw in w d80 to sweeten deal) and likely the 18-200VR since per ebay there is some money to be made there. I am not inclined to sell my 85mm but I think I may consider selling my 70-300 and replace it with something else in short order. I am going to keep an eye out for the kit castoffs etc. Thanks again. Peter</p>

@Jonathan. I just ordered the d600 refurb plus vip from Adorama. Wish me luck!