johnorban 0 Posted January 8, 2005 Another great shot, Carl. The movement of the school bus emphasizes the stillness of death -- life goes on, but not for this person. The low light and fog add to the somber mood of this fine composition. An emotionally moving photo. Link to comment
Guest Guest Posted January 9, 2005 My PS suggestion (in Hue/Saturation) is to lower saturation of the red channel by 25% (for the ribbon) and increase by 25% the yellow channel (for the road line). Very good with full manual to nullify delay. Link to comment
root 0 Posted January 9, 2005 I tried your suggestion - desat the red looks good for the reasons you mentioned, I increased yellow to 15, but also lightened it to 30. I does compromise the line, but now the bus isn't quite so 'heavy', which was bothering me before, but I hadn't tackled it. If I print this, I could got to the trouble to select it to keep the line strong. We'll see. I don't understand your last sentence. Link to comment
Guest Guest Posted January 9, 2005 I was referring to using the A2 on manual focus and exposure to assure quick shutter response to capture the moving bus in precise position. Link to comment
root 0 Posted January 9, 2005 Well, that would have been the right thing to do, but I simply factored in the delay. The bus could have been a full length earlier or later and the composition still would have worked, I think. (A little bit is cropped off the bottom and left.) Yet another shot that would be very hard to get handheld without an antishake digicam, assuming you want the bus to be blurry. I haven't used my F5 since I bought this. Link to comment
kslonaker 0 Posted January 9, 2005 I took this one to mean there is danger every time we hit the road, including for our children in school buses. I see roadside memorials all the time and they serve as a reminder that life is short and it can happen any time, any place. Very emotional and strong image, Carl. Link to comment
root 0 Posted January 9, 2005 My initial reaction when I looked up after the shot was, "she'll never get to ride the bus with her school mates again". It really hit me, maybe since my eighteen-year-old daughter is only one year out of high school. Link to comment
kslonaker 0 Posted January 10, 2005 I think the addition of the schoolbus was an important element in this composition. It makes it hit home more than if no vehicle was in the shot. The fact that it's a schoolbus, rather than a single car, also makes you stop and think. My boys are all men now, but I have two grandsons coming up the ranks to worry about, too. Link to comment
bradkim 8 Posted January 10, 2005 This is a great image, Carl.... Your inclusion of a school bus in its moving blur is an excellent idea! I also understand what Gary wants to see in this image.... Link to comment
galina stepanova 0 Posted January 10, 2005 Often seen dramatic scenery... Emotional, meaningful.Hi, Carl, Philosophical composition, if I may say so...Static of death against dynamic of life. Symbolic.Good job! Link to comment
oswegophoto 1 Posted January 10, 2005 <tears in eyes> This is one of the most moving images I've seen here. Without that bus: no impact. With it (brilliant, BTW): us, moving on, past the sadness, into the misty future, accompanied by our friends & enemies. Technically, I wouldn't change a thing. For me, not an easy image to look upon, you've mixed this drink pretty strong. Link to comment
Sandeha Lynch 5 Posted January 11, 2005 If a chance snapshot, very fortunate; if a planned shot, very well thought through. It's a strong image. Link to comment
root 0 Posted January 12, 2005 I didn't even know it was there . . . . . . just driving down River Road looking for fog shots. The timing just happened to coincide with school getting out. What's curious about this is the Christmas wreath. Wonder how long they'll leave it up? These things change . . . . . . and sometimes disappear alotogether. Link to comment
jmoody 0 Posted January 12, 2005 Kind of a juxtaposition between a bus full of kids enjoying life, probably singing songs, shooting spit wads, talking about the frivolities that make up their young lives... vs. the end of someone else's. Made much more powerful by the leafeless winter trees & early morning fog (cold, death etc..), and the visible motion of the bus as it heads towards the "light" ( rebirth, the cycle of life, a "journey"etc..) Your pictures always seem to tell such stories! I can only hope to move beyond the "this-is-pretty" reasons I usually shoot & instead, tell a story Link to comment
bens 0 Posted January 12, 2005 yes, works well, agree about reducing red a little. like the composition and use of the slow shutter very much. Link to comment
root 0 Posted January 12, 2005 Jeff, I agree that the fog and leafless trees helped set the mood. Everything unplanned . . just f8 and be there. Ben, even though I agree with Gary, I left the original alone so his comment would make sense. I've already made those tweaks to the original file. Link to comment
Doug Keller 0 Posted January 12, 2005 I like how the road goes downhill then uphill, suggesting life's ups and downs maybe. I also like the bright lightspot on the road that might suggest the same. One possible correction could be to tone down the glare on the guardrail. It's a pivotal part of the image's message. The way that it's wrapped around the cross gives the impression that its the cross' personal defender... and might even suggest "closure" to the incident. Thank you for sharing, Carl. Link to comment
bens 0 Posted January 12, 2005 thanks carl. i find the red adjustment one of the trickier things to catch, particularly when indoors and using a flash. i've learned to adjust separately in the red channel in levels and in curves, which sometimes require i adjust green and blue as well. but knocking down the red can help bring out details -- the bow here is probably a perfect exampel. sure you know all this, i'm just blathering for a moment before getting back to work . . . Link to comment
root 0 Posted January 12, 2005 Ben, I'm not in the habit of workign with separate color channels, so I know you're ahead of me here. I've found that all your ideas are worth considering. Doug, I think the bright sweeping curve is balanced by the near side road marker, but maybe I was too agressive in adjusting the white point here. (The top of the bus is a bit strong as well.) Thanks for your observations. Link to comment
bens 0 Posted January 12, 2005 oh you charmer! seriously, give it a try, the more control the better. when you are in levels, just go to the pull down box that says rgb and try adjusting each channel. the more "regular" you can get each histogram, the better. if you do it while still in color, you also alter the different channels for conversion to black and white purposes. you can do the same thing in curves, but i find it more straightforward to adjust in levels. and if you do it while in a layer mask, you can adjust just a portion of a photo, like the bow here, in the event you like the coloring elsewhere in the pic. Link to comment
root 0 Posted January 12, 2005 Well, Ben, mostly I was giving myself credit for being so open minded. :-) "but seriously . . " I went back to the original, deleted the saturation layer and accomplished all the above, including bringing out the fog in the upper right using nothing but curves. Link to comment
bens 0 Posted January 12, 2005 carl -- don't know why, but this dialogue reminds me that i just read an interesting book about lincoln ("lincoln at war", i think), which does a good job of showing that lincoln learned war strategy by doing, engaging, struggling, failing, trying again, but always with the will to succeed, and with goals that were certain. i kind of try to do that with photos; i have plenty of casualties, but if i learn something its worthwhile. okay, thanks for the chat -- this is a very fine photo that tells a story with a powerful subtlety or subtle power, you know what i mean! Link to comment
tony bell 0 Posted January 13, 2005 This is pretty haunting. What an impact! But the longer I look the more I realize this more accurately (at least for me) illustrates how fast life is and how rapidly time passes and how in an instant it can stop for someone. And while those close to that person come to a halt, it is really only for mere moments before we are off and running again. It also shows that no matter how fast people pass in life, there are those who will always remember those who are gone. Great shot Carl. Just when I'm to a point I've just about given up on this soap opera of a web site I see a shot like this that has such an impact on me and I'm pulled right back in. I may have to go back to posting some of my own photos again! OH, and I love the lines you've created. Top notch work as always. Link to comment
baldurbirgis 0 Posted January 15, 2005 I could use 1000 words, but 1 is enough. Excellent. Link to comment
ajpn 0 Posted January 21, 2005 I don't think there is another way that this could be photographed that would be more moving. Link to comment
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