michael_darrah Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 For some time now I've taken my 35mm gear with me to work to record some of the "more memorable" moments that occur there. I work outdoors w/high voltage equipment and some real interesting sights occur occasionally. I've recently purchased a Hasselblad 501 cm kit w/ a few extra acessories and a sekonic 508 spot/ambient light meter. A few days ago, some of the men on my crew had the opportunity to use some rather large earth moving equipment in preparation for an upcoming high voltage cable installation job. I wanted to record the progression of work in MF. As I prepared the camera and film backs I wondered which function of the sekonic meter was going to give me the most accurated reading for exposure. I was a day of rapidly changing lighting situations. First sunny and then totally overcast. I tried spot metering of the equipment itself for some tight shots, and then went to ambient measurement just to see if the two readings would match. They didn't. I've mostly relied on the spot function of this meter since I've purchased the Hasselblad, but I've not had any of my exposed film developed yet. Can someone tell me which method, spot or ambient, should have been used to determine exposures in this situation. Any instruction, opinions, ideas, or even a verbal flogging would be greatly appreciated........ Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_goldfarb Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 A spot reading will tell you how to set the camera so that the thing you point it at will be recorded as a value equivalent in luminosity to a neutral grey card. If you point it at a bright white object, your image will be underexposed. If you point it at a black object, your image will be overexposed. If you point it at a properly oriented 18% grey object (there is some debate about how this object should be positioned for the best reading--check out the archives), then you should get the same reading as you would with an incident meter (there is also some debate about how the incident metering dome should be oriented with respect to the light source and the camera--again, check the archives for all the theories). Unless you are photographing things that actually emit light (I don't know--arcing wires or arc welders or whatever), I would go with an incident reading for now, then read about spot metering to learn how to determine the tonal range of a scene and use that information to match your exposure and development to your film (see, e.g., Ansel Adams, _The Negative_). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 I think by "ambient" metering you mean incident metering. Incident metering is where the meter measures the light falling on the subject. This is different from a reflected light meter -- like a spot meter -- where the meter reads the light reflected back by the subject. <P> Unless you know what you are doing with a spot meter, which takes just a little practice and some head scratching, probably the incident metering method will be more reliable and will certainly be quicker.<P> Using either the spot or incident method you'll get the best results if you first calibrate your system. This involves finding out what your film's true speed is, and also the accuracy of your camera and lenses shutterspeed and deviation (if any) from what the true �-stop as marked is, and finally how accurate your meter is.<P>But back to your question: If you are in a position where you can meter the light falling on your subject, using incident mode, I'd try that. I would not expect the incident and spot meter readings to agree at all, but for both to be correct --after you have interpreted the spot readings by taking into account the reflectiveness of your subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin_kolosky Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 Michael I totally agree with Ellis. I would only add that when and if you start developing your own black and white film and want to try the zone system come on back onto photo net and we'll tell you why you should then start using the reflected meter to help you control the contrast of your negatives. kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas_carl Posted April 1, 2001 Share Posted April 1, 2001 For your purposes the incident metering would probably work best. Both methods can give you accurate results, but the learning curve is steeper with the spot meter. If you get into serious black and white photography, where you will match film development times with the contrast range of the scene, that's where the spot meter will really shine. Otherwise, stick with the incident method. Just my opinion of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_darrah Posted April 1, 2001 Author Share Posted April 1, 2001 Very much thanks to you who answered my query. Although now I'm not looking forward to getting my first few rolls back. I guess thats how to learn though. I'll read some more threads here and find some books on light reading and go back to work to try to understand this facet of photography.Again, many thanks to those who answered.......Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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