chiranjeeb Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 As I understand, a CCD array is just an array of capacitors whose charges are read off one by one by an amplifier to generate the image in a digital camera. If this is the case, and the CCD can be read fast enough (faster than a millisecond) can we just eliminate the shutter completely? I mean, when the button is pressed, one could clear the CCD array of charges, wait for 1/100 sec (or whatever the exposure time is set to), read the CCD array again and be done. No shutter will be required at all. Of course, this will not work if time required to read the array is comparable to the exposure time itself. Does anybody know how much time it takes to read a CCD array? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve coburn Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 Isn't this what happens with electronic 'shutters' anyway? If not then how do electronic shutters work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau 1664876222 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 I believe most digital cameras don't have traditional shutters, just variable on-off switches for the sensor. If you are referring to DSLRs, of course there's the whole mirror thing that still happens mechanically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiranjeeb Posted May 18, 2004 Author Share Posted May 18, 2004 The D2H still has a focal plane shutter according to specs in dpreview.com. So I wonder why that is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_wilson4 Posted May 18, 2004 Share Posted May 18, 2004 There is still a focal plane shutter in DSLR cameras because the different imaging chips (CMOS vs CCD) require them. AFAIK anyways :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger krueger Posted May 19, 2004 Share Posted May 19, 2004 An interesting datapoint is the Olympus E-20, which can be operated with the leaf shutter in the lens to 1/640, or electronically shuttered to a higher (I think 1/4000) speed. The catch is that at the higher (shutterless) speed you only get half resolution, I think because the "extra" pixels have to be used as some sort of buffer during readout. Shutters are expensive, prone to wear/failure, limit sync speed and cause mechanical jarring of the camera during exposure--manufacturers would certainly eliminate them if that made sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colleendonovan Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 I kind of like the sound shutters make. :) I think I would miss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormegil Posted May 20, 2004 Share Posted May 20, 2004 Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's probably the "mirror slap" you're hearing, not the shutter cycling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesasone Posted May 24, 2004 Share Posted May 24, 2004 You are very obviously missing a HUGE apsect of photography: Depth of Feild. The apture IS the shutter, if you remove the shutter you lose all control over the DoF, the amount of light entering the camera beyond pure "capture time"(since we'd have no shutters). What you would have would be a pin hole camera. Alot of the really cheap digital cameras are like this... fixed at "2.8" or such. Also, this is how camera phones function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger krueger Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Camden: I have never EVER seen a camera that functions as you describe. Sure, there are some megacheapies without aperture adjustment, but that has nothing to do with the shutter. There are some medium and large format leaf-shutter lenses where the actual shutter and aperture are housed in the same assembly, and the whole thing is loosely referred to as the shutter, But none of these has much bearing on digital--having an aperture without a physical shutter is trivially easy, and there are a variety of cameras out there that do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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