roland_larson Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 I've been watching this since day one : ebay Item # 3443961871 Apparently someone hijacked the photo from an auction and put it up 10 hours later. I'm not worrying any of us would fall for this, but where are the auction moderators in the past 6 days ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl smith Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 I tend to avoid auctions where they can't spell things correctly as well. Contack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m__toronto_ Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 If you ask me about authentic the answer is YES and im guarantee it or your money back. "Serious offer only prefer ,Free mail me before make an bid to make a good deal. We ship World Wide no Exception.Winning bidder pay for shipping cost.Winning bidder contack me 3days auction ended or I will post you negative feedback." oooohhh...he'll post negative feedback. horrible grammar, not 1 feedback rating, yeah i'd say this guy is up to par. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad_hahn Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 I like how the user id of the bidder is kept private. Probably so no one can warn the bidder of the fact that this auction is most probably a fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland_larson Posted November 29, 2003 Author Share Posted November 29, 2003 " I tend to avoid auctions where they can't spell things correctly as well." ... and can't put the item into the correct category. If you search for Leica MP in ebay, this "hangbag" will show up along with a 333/500 MP Hermes auction. I just find the fact that someone being silly enough to put up a fake auction for a numbered item from a limited edition really amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad_hahn Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 If you list Leica MP in ebay the real auction and this one are next to each other. One seller has many auctions under his belt and one has none. One seller has many pictures of the kit the other only has one. I wonder which one I would go with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles barcellona www.bl Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Y'know I just love yanking the chain of guys like this. As much as I love yanking the chain of telemarketers, and those guys in white shirts on bikes that come to my door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan_b. Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 I'm sure that many of you have seen how frequent these bogus auctions are, always with a seller who has been registered for only a day or two and who has no feedback. Yet amazingly people bid on their auctions. Common sense isn't too common after all. Roland Larson asked where eBay's auction moderators are, but I can't believe there are any. eBay denies all responsibility for such listings, but it seems they will have to enforce some new regulations to eliminate such blatant ripoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__wentong_lin Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 it is sad because the box doesnt even have cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan flanders Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 The best thing to do with these guys is to complain in the proper eBay channel and then ignore them. It is regrettable that some poor sucker is likely to get stung, but that sort of people have been with us all along and these things have been going on for ages. At least with these auctions things are brought out in the open. With the number of auctions that take place every day it would not be possible to monitor each one. Obnoxious as this may be, much of our indignation is the affront to our egos, and we can gloat that at least we didn't get stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bashir_lunat Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Well, eBay wont care as long as ther are making good money,its down to individual sense...to bid or not..How about this item on eBay right now.Its a three day auction and no bid so far. 2968203839 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djl251 Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Its this kind of fraud that will be the death of EBAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland_larson Posted November 30, 2003 Author Share Posted November 30, 2003 Yes it's kind of sad to realise that common sense isn't too common afterall, as Jonathan reminded. While this fraud is particularly pathetic, there are more obscure fakes that may once in a while trip the most cautious mind. I still love ebay, but I have to say that our world is not a safe and honest place as we may wish it to be. Stay alert my friends, and keep us informed. "Water floats, or sinks. Be water my friend." -- Bruce Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmphoto1 Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Interesting comments about the "grammer". Notice, he is registered in Australia (as of last Tuesday), ships directly from his "store" in the US, and has an accent in his writing style that is definately not from the US or Australia. chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles barcellona www.bl Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I've been in contact with the "seller". He gave me his address. My friends in Adelaide inform me the address is a rather natty bowling alley (well to them all bowling alleys are natty). This is great.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles barcellona www.bl Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 For our friends in Oz, he's said he's in Norwood, SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jean_. Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 I don't know if it's just that I have not noticed before, or these scam auctions have become so abundant recently. I almost fell for a better made scam, seller registered for 6 months, 199 positive feedbacks, and low but not unreasonable price. I contacted the seller, and became suspicious because he gave me shipping prices in US $, while the auction was located in UK and me living in germany. The western union mone transfer payment would probably have alarmed me, but i was quite shocked about the fact that I was very close to kissing my money good bye! Up to now, the scam indicators are: - low price - short auction time, 1 day is not uncommon - seller registered in different country than auction - lousy english - if english is OK, description can be googled - item pics are from same site than the description - payment by money transfer, mostly western union But it's easy to see that more clever guys will easily fool most people. Ebay has to do something about this, or his will be the begin of the end of ebay. They should begin with a verification of new accounts, to make sure that every account corresponds to a real person with a real adress.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles barcellona www.bl Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Funny how he never got back to me after I pointed out his "address" was in actuality a bowling alley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland_larson Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Bravo Charles ! Now he's exposed. Ha, how often do we heard of camera sellers run their businesses in a bowling alley, holding a picture of a camera and label it as a handbag ? I have to admit that I'm truly amused by this fake. Yes there are some very clever people who, in the course of their lifes, chose a perverted way to make a living, but here we have one bloke that prompt us to question his very cranial capacity. Honest, it left me and my wife rolling on the floor laughing when we found that someone was faking an auction of a numbered item alongside with the original one, which was being offered by a seller with a respectful history. Given ebay's scale of operation today, they may have all the reasons / excuses to get disclaimed from this kind of frauduent acts, but I agree with many of us (esp Jean who has had a close encounter) that ebay has to do something about this. We may not expect a clinical auction environment, but at least we deserve to deal with a verified seller, just like the seller has the right to insist shipping to a verified address. It's easier said than done, but I believe the higher intelligence in ebay should be able to come to improvising the system. 30 minutes to go and this "auction" will be over, and things will go round and round again like a circle game. Meantime, stay alert and be well informed. Good luck and thanks for all responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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