jonathan brewer Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 Maybe Bill Jefferson can clue me in, because I don't understand, evidently Polaroid 'chocalate' where you expose a 809 negative and process in a 804 pod and receptor is available in 20x24 for the polaroid and Ron Wisner Polaroid cameras but not in 8x10? How many more 8x10's has there gotta be than 20x24 cameras? Seems like a stretch to me particularly since Polaroid ALREADY makes 809 and 804, so why not? Also why not type 55 pos/neg in 8x10? Saves processing a regular sheet of 8x10 which should be irresistable to some shooters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_atherton2 Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 Well, from the horses mouth on the LF Forum re 855 film: "Hi Jeff, The feasibility test was done, and it came out great. The cost analysis showed that it was high enough, not to persue this further. I'm disapointed as well. Bill Jefferson Sr. Eval. Tech. Polaroid Corp." As Bill seems to be on the forum, why not ask about chocolate polaroids there? (for some reason I thought you could do it in 8x10 - or was it only by buying a pack of each and dumping the unused half of each pack?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_driscoll2 Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 read this: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/lfforum/thread.php?topic =496619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan brewer Posted September 20, 2003 Author Share Posted September 20, 2003 That is my understanding also, that you can take a 809 negative, expose it, and then process that negative in a 804 pod and receptor, I'm setting up to attempt this but I'm having trouble with the idea of wasting half the material and thus half the money you've spent on both boxes(a box 809, a box of 804), which is why I'm promted to ask this question now. I'm also asking with the slim hope that Polaroid will sell 'Chocalate' in 8x10 with the combination in place as they do for their 20x24 cameras. The Chocalate film for 20x24 is already configured at the factory and you don't have to do any switching/buy a box of each film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan brewer Posted September 20, 2003 Author Share Posted September 20, 2003 "Hi Jeff, The feasibility test was done, and it came out great. The cost analysis showed that it was high enough, not to persue this further. I'm disapointed as well."..................................I always understood from the fortune 500 honchos that it wasn't what something cost, but what it made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracy_storer1 Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 I can't speak for Polaroid, but I don't think they'll ever offer Chocolate in any format other than 20x24. There are some problems and some questions associated with Chocolate. You lose a lot of film speed, and it doesn't seem that consistent. It's NOT pan-chromatic. It often has a funky mottly texture. The question: how long will it last? We don't know. I receive each case of Chocolate with a disclaimer slip from Polaroid, and I make sure each of my clients knows there may be permanence issues. I myself have bought up cheap short date, out of date 809 for the neg to make Chocolate, and combine it with fresh (or sometimes also old 804) If you REALLY want to do Chocolate, you could just pop on out and rent the studio : ) Tracy Storer Polaroid 20x24 Studio West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_atherton2 Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 So Tracy - my question just posted on another list: Anyone making chocolate polaroids (8x10)? Any advice on film speed for the combo? development techniques times? etc Any and all advice welcomed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_atherton2 Posted September 20, 2003 Share Posted September 20, 2003 Whoops - just saw you answered on the LF Forum - it got lost in all the virus emails this am... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachel_kinoshita Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 Has anyone tried the 803 pod/paper vs the 804? How about going the other way around, using an 804 negative and the 809 pod/paper? What type of results does that produce? I wonder how long ago Polaroid did the "855" feasibility study. With the increase in interest in larger than 4x5 formats, perhaps it's time for them to commission a new study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_atherton2 Posted September 21, 2003 Share Posted September 21, 2003 "I wonder how long ago Polaroid did the "855" feasibility study. With the increase in interest in larger than 4x5 formats, perhaps it's time for them to commission a new study." As I recall, in the last year or two - there hasn't been that much of a surge in 8x10... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_jefferson Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Hi Johnathan, As I understand it most people cross the 809 and 804 film themselfs,What I tested a few years ago actually 4/99 It was called Brown Tone. any thing over a 15 sec development time yeilded a mottle look to it. So I guess the powers to be decided against it. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan brewer Posted September 24, 2003 Author Share Posted September 24, 2003 Thanks Bill, do you think it better to start out using 15 sec. development or is this something you just play around with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_jefferson Posted September 25, 2003 Share Posted September 25, 2003 Jonathan, I tryed, 45 sec 30 sec 15 sec in that order and settled on the 15 sec to start with. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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