morey_kitzman Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Why is it that so few names in the large format forum have actual photographs posted? It would nice to see images submitted that have met particular challenges of lighting, interesting camera movements and the use of various lenses. I love the forum and I feel it has advanced my own photography several years, but I would like to see actual images. Anyone share this concern? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_goldfarb Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 There have been many threads on this topic. Here are some: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=004mMP http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0042hJ http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=005ZLF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk_arts Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Large format scans are expensive... Large format scanners aren't cheap... Many large format photographers prefer the traditional darkroom and choose not to invest in expensive imaging equiptment and software... Large format photographers are quality freaks, and will not settle for flatbeds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 What, so you can see work that is reduced in size, and squeezed through a compressed colorspace (sRGB) and seen on a monitor that probably isn't accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks short Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 I agree with Morey. It would be nice to see some large-format photos here on PhotoNet. Especially in this forum and in responses to posts on this forum. There are lots of very well known fine-art and commercial large-format photographers with web-sites. They don't seem to have a problem with their work being viewed on the web, in the limited sRGB color space. I've got no problem with showing some of my work here on my Photo NEt page and though some is digital capture the rest is large format, 4x5 and 8x10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_goldfarb Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Slippery terms of use on photo.net have discouraged some, but click on people's names and many have their own websites where work can be viewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian_ellis3 Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_atherton2 Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 search the archives and read the endless threads on this - basically photo.net is a place to disuss not show pictures (one among many issues - what's the point of showing LF pix on itty bitty 72dpi monitors...)? One top of which - yes, a lot of fok don't like photo.net's T&C's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne_crider4 Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Morey you have some nice pictures in your albums. Beside the waterfall were there any others taken with LF? Btw, must have been nice living in Italy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_fleming1 Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Last time I tried to post something here the software would not let me. Something about not liking PhotoShop JPEGS. Haven't tried since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim6 Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 Morey, I agree with you. Talking about the technical aspects of cameras, lens etc is the easy part. It's far too easy to become a "technician" and rattle off meaningless numbers, specifications and ignore the creative side of the process. It's not all about sharpness, grain, format or equipment... for me it's all about the message the image conveys and the feeling one is left with after viewing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william_whitaker1 Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 This is kind of a double-edged sword. I enjoy sharing images, but I also share the aesthetic reservations of many when it comes to trying to present photographs on a computer monitor. And partly because of that, the rather minimal web site I started three or so years ago has not been updated. There are so many things to take up my time! Printing has become my priority in an effort to try to achieve that which I claim is most important: expressing my personal vision through photography. Unfortunately the time involved in scanning and uploading images to a server has not been at the top of my list. I'd rather spend that energy becoming a better photographer. So I guess it's really a matter of logistics. My resources are spent where I feel they're best utilized. Someday maybe I'll get around to putting more images on the web. But just now I'm preoccupied.<P> But thanks for asking.<P> Regards,<P> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralph_barker Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 <p>Just for you, Morey - a flatbed scan of an 8x10 contact print. ;-) </p> <p>Like many others, I don't like the photo.net terms of use language, so I don't upload images here. I do, however, have <a href="http://www.rbarkerphoto.com">my own site</a>, but it's quite out of date, and isn't all large format. I occasionally post images to illustrate a point, but usually go with the flow of this forum's traditions.</p> <center> <img src="http://www.rbarkerphoto.com/misc/SFBayAreaMisc/PtLobos0503-B-600bw.jpg"> </center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_rice3 Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Nice photo, Ralph. -j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole_tjugen Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Where are they? In my darkroom, of course;) I actually have a few here as well. Some of them are even shot with LF... For more LF images by various shooters (including yours truly), go to www.f32.net which seems to be more picture-oriented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul moshay Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Ralph, just surveyed your web site, WOW!! Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morey_kitzman Posted September 1, 2003 Author Share Posted September 1, 2003 Wayne I have a folder for large format on photo.net (just created). I believe you can convey a great deal of the beauty and subtlety of large format on a 72 dpi monitor. There is a website associated with Anselm Adams where the artists display large format images and they are very striking (Burkett, McNeil, etc.) Ralph Thanks for sharing your 8 x 10 contact print. Stunning image and it comes across quite well. Of course, I am well aware that you cannot capture the impact of size. I have images enlarged to 48 x 60 and I quite agree that the image on the monitor does not come close, but those experienced with large format no well how to imagine what it would be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_lee11 Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 If both you and the photographer have a good monitors which have both been <a href="http://www.colorvision.com/home.html" target = "_blank">calibrated</a>, then you ought to see what the photgrapher sees on his/her monitor. Imaging professionals rely on this all the time. <p>That being said, keep in mind that a good monitor is capable of a greater range of brightness and color than most printed images, because it is based on projected light, rather than reflected light. (This is the same reason why slides appear more luminous than prints, all things being equal.) <p>Using a proficient digital workflow, and ignoring the issue of size, we should be able to get a very good impression of a fine print - sometimes looking even better than the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d._kevin_gibson Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 "There are lots of very well known fine-art and commercial large-format photographers with web-sites. They don't seem to have a problem with their work being viewed on the web, in the limited sRGB color space." I'm having trouble finding the personal websites for Gabrielle Basilico, Joel Sternfeld, Sugimoto, Stephn Shore, Geoffrey James, Robert Adams, Andraes Gursky, Nicholas Nixon, Richard Misrach, Jock Sturges, Thomas Struth, Lynne Cohen and Sally Mann - could you point me to the URL's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne_crider4 Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Morey the LF folder looks great. Now if you would only tell me where that "Abandoned Cabin" is I'll be on my way. (^: Seriously, I think that you and Ralph have proved that it isn't about pictures looking better in person; It's about seeing something you probably will not see from another persons artistic perspective. The chances of me viewing most forum members work in person is so remote that it's nice to enjoy something online regardless of quality. (that's why I always peruse the Leica forum) If I had a decent 4x5 I'd get it scanned and join ya. What did you use btw to scan with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_galea Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 http://www.sallymann.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d._kevin_gibson Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 http://www.sallymann.org not her homepage though - at least I hope not - if she's using those yukky colours and cutesy fonts she's definately dropped down in my estimation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks short Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Kevin, Perhaps you misread my post. I didn't say that ALL large format fine-art and commercial photographers have their own site. And I certainly couldn't say that your favorite photographers have websites. If you would take a look around, maybe do a search on Google, you would find that there are many LF photographers that do have websites. Here's a few: www.richardavedon.com www.johnsexton.com www.ericmeola.com www.howardschatz.com Here's a 35mm guy who is known for his exquisite color photography and 72 dpi on an uncalibrated monitor isn't doing his work any favors. www.peteturner.com There are a lot more websites out there that you may enjoy discovering for yourself. But it is interesting that these well-known and highly respected photographers don't seem to be freaking out because their images appear at 72 dpi on someone's uncalibrated monitor. They just seem to be able to go about creating their work and making it available for the rest of the world to appreciate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_goldfarb Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 And indeed, many LF forum users (myself included) feel the same way and post their photos on their own sites, and they post links to them in their photo.net bios. I think if one is active on internet photo discussion groups, it is good to have some work posted somewhere, just to give other participants an idea about what kind of work you do. That said, I don't see any reason why that means that one should post work in a photo.net gallery particularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wieslaw1 Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Morey - The main reason is that most of us here are theoreticians, in reality we do not make pictures, we only discuss the possibilty of taking them. anno - �investment� in a scanner is not a problem, all you need is 200$ for an Agfa scanner for example, sorry! that is only for scanning the prints. Scanning negatives cost you more, but scanning prints is all right for the web presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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