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steve deer

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Hi all

 

Been lurking around here for a couple of weeks now. I'm new to

photography, although I'm an art director by trade.

 

I've generally ignored the technical stuff about photography (let

the pro's get on wit it) but recently purchased a Nikon Coolpix

5700, which lit my fire!

 

Looking around at the images I admire (mainly b/w), it seems

my favourite photographers all seem to use Leica Rangefinders.

 

I walked into a reputable dealer here in my home town

(Liverpool UK) and they're selling a 10 year old black M6, in lovely

condition, complete with a 35mm f2 lens with hood(?) to fit

35mm and 50mm lens', and a 'grip' , all for £1,250 (about US

$1,985).

 

Does that seem a reasonable deal?

 

Is there anything I should look out for?

 

Advice much appreciated.

 

Cheers...

 

Steve

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In today's market the price seems no better than average, even if the M6 (assume Classic, not TTL) and 35 Summicron are in mint condition. If you have the time to really look and let the deals come to you, you will find better pricing.
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Steve, go to cameraquest.com and you'll find lots of the information you need.

 

Value of 35mm Summicrons vary from around $500 for earlier models to $1000 for the latest model Asph, so yes, serial number is important. Unless the camera includes the Asph ($950-$1000) or German made pre-Asph (about $850-$900), the price might be a bit high. If the body is mint it should fetch about $1100 by itself.... If you like the camera get a return policy and have it checked out by a technician to make sure there aren't any problems. A good technician can tell you in 5 minutes if it likely needs anything. Also shoot and develop a roll of film with it while you can still return.

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Steve, If this is going to be your first film camera I would seriously think about getting a descent all manual SLR - an M is a very specialised tool and very unforgiving of mistakes in focusing and exposure control. A bit like buying a Porsche 911 as your first car - but obviously not life endangering!. Don't take this as Leica snobbery or someone talking down to you - it's just that to use an M properly you need a good understanding of how cameras work - the effects of diferent apertures, focusing points, metering etc - even film loading! A good manual SLR is much more intuative as the image projected onto the screen is what you get and you can play with apertures and focusing and see the effects - WYSIWYG - (what you see is what you get) I have to say - it takes a keen eye to tell the difference between a picture taken on an M and one on an SLR with a fixed lens - I even have pictures taken on a Canon AF with a cheap 28-80 zoom that have a leica 'glow' to them! The price is not nearly enough of a bargin to give it a chance - spend 1/4 of this and spend the rest on film.
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My first "real camera" (one on which I could control all the functions) when I was 12 years old was a Japanese-made rangefinder. I suspect that if a preteen can cope with the "difficulties" of learning photography with a rangefinder camera, an adult can probably handle it, too.
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"...an M is a very specialised tool and very unforgiving of mistakes..."

 

how does turning a shutter speed dial, twisting an aperture ring and adjusting a split-image rangefinder make any camera a "specialized and unforgiving tool"? This sort of thing is heard often from manual camera enthusiasts, especially Leica owners, but it just doesn't take much genius to work a camera. Now the ability to "see" photographically is something else again.

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Johann

 

I do appreciate what you're saying... I'm very 'I WANT A LEICA, I

WANT ONE NOW... OR I'LL SCREAM AND SCREAM AND

SCREAM!!'.

 

Here's some examples of shots taken with my Nikon 5700.

Some set to aperture priority, some set to manual. Criticism

welcome...

 

http://s.deer.users.btopenworld.com/sam.html

 

http://s.deer.users.btopenworld.com/liverpool.html

 

Regards

 

Steve

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steve

 

There's no VAT as it is a private sale from the store's owner. Paul

Hart has given me a good contact in London. I want to VAT, as

I'm VAT registered and can claim it back.

 

I'm coming to the conclusuion that the deal is not particicularly

good... all other suggestions appreciated

 

Regards

 

Steve

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I'm not sure you'll find a much better price at a UK dealer (though you may well do better with a private sale/ebay/imported camera). I haven't seen many M6s below about £800 (for Exc+/Exc++), and those few in the £700-£750 range typically have significant 'zincing' or other signs of wear - check the dealer ads in a recent issue of Amateur Photogorapher for current prices. And if you see a 35 'cron of any description in a UK shop below £400, let me know! I'm not sure you'll be able to recover VAT on a secondhand M6 purchase either - I think dealers tend to use the 'VAT margin' scheme, where the amount of VAT charged is much lower (only charged on the profit margin, and perhaps not recoverable within the EU..?). This might make a new M6(TTL) more attractive to you.
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