ShunCheung Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Accompanying teaser #2, Ricci has already posted a video analyzing that teaser: Clearly Ricci has access to those teaser videos well in advance. In other words, obviously Ricci is part of Nikon's marketing campaign. There is nothing wrong with that, but please keep that in mind. I would imagine that Ricci probably already has a Z9 prototype in hand. Ricci thinks the lens in the video is the future 100-400mm S in the Z mount. IMO, the lens in the video seems big for a 100-400, which I assume to be an f5.6, but it would be small for a 200-600, which is typically f6.3 on the 600mm end. Perhaps it is more likely to be the 100-400. The safari video is from the Inyati Game Lodge. I did a quick search and that is in South Africa. I have been to Kenya, Tanzania, Botswana and South Africa. In South Africa, they tend to use those open-top type safari vehicles. In Eastern Africa, they tend to use Land Rovers with hatches in the roof. In all of those countries, the driver is on the right side, looks unusual for those of us in North America, but normal for the British and Australians. For 4K video, my rule of thumb for file size is 1G per minute. For 8K video, you can multiple by 4 but with further compression, maybe we are talking about 2 to 3G per minute? 80 minutes can be handled by a 256G card?? There are reasons that CFexpress Type B cards are available in 512G, 1T, and 2T variations. I think the bigger problem is heat generation and battery consumption if you capture 80 minutes of video continuously. Edited October 13, 2021 by ShunCheung 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_watson1 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Do you own a Df? Have you taken many thousands of photos with one? If not, I have serious misgivings about the value your opinion. As to the Z, I'm too invested in the F mount and satisfied with the results I get to be interested. Think you missed my point, Sandy--obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik-Christensen Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Finally we have teaser #2: Looks like the Z9 can do 8K video for up to an hour and 20 minutes. The lens she is using seems to be the 200-600. If it is 80 min. in one clip, then the EU customs will treat as a video camera, as far as I know. A clip of max 30 min. then it is a normal camera with a lower import duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 I wonder what that means for the UK? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik-Christensen Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I wonder what that means for the UK? :D ordinary cameras from Japan have 0% import duty, whereas video recorders have 4.9% plus VAT, which in Holland is 21%, Denmark 25% and 18% Germany all calculated on the CIF destination costs! I have no idea about UK, but may be it is routed via Northern Ireland :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 ordinary cameras from Japan have 0% import duty, whereas video recorders How about phones? Do they have a time limit? I've never tried...;) I've always thought the 30min time limit for a single take was a bit odd. Almost no-one does that! Equally, I do wonder what the new limit is based on. Heat, battery or storage? If it will do, say, 1080P60 for 5 hours or so, that might make unattended hide use interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 The Z9 will cost $7000, $8000. Another 4.9% hardly makes any difference. Either you can afford it or you can't. :rolleyes: (Recall that the D3x debuted at $8000. That kind of price tag is not unheard-of.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik-Christensen Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 The Z9 will cost $7000, $8000. Another 4.9% hardly makes any difference. Either you can afford it or you can't. :rolleyes: (Recall that the D3x debuted at $8000. That kind of price tag is not unheard-of.) In Europe they add between 19-25% VAT, but I agree for a usd 8K it is likely unimportant, but still manufacturers set a limit for the video clip to 30 min. because of the duties also on far cheaper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 Teaser 3 is out! That AF tracking is awesome...:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Teaser 3 is out! That AF tracking is awesome...:) Still waiting for Ricci's commentary video. :rolleyes: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I've always thought the 30min time limit for a single take was a bit odd. Almost no-one does that! If you video concerts, long discussions or similar events you might run into this limit quite easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeo_joe1 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Looks like the Z9 can do 8K video for up to an hour and 20 minutes. And how many people have anything they can view 8K video on? Or with a big enough screen to perceive a difference between 8K and 4K? No matter what technological miracle we're given, it never seems enough, and then the 'next big thing' comes along to part us from our money. Time we were happy with what we've already got. Just for the sake of the planet and before we're left with nothing! If you video concerts, long discussions or similar events you After 1 hour 20 minutes, there'd be nobody left awake to care. Anybody up for a remake of Hitchcock's Rope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 And how many people have anything they can view 8K video on? Or with a big enough screen to perceive a difference between 8K and 4K? I don't really even think that the difference between FullHD and 4K is particularly relevant when viewing videos. ;-) I've burned some videos that I made in FullHD format on blu-ray discs and they play fine on my 4K TV. I do like high resolution for stills for some subject matter (especially nature photography). I do record video in 4K mode, it takes ridiculous amounts of storage space but the exported FullHD look better when the original was 4K. :/ I know that this is just a question of the camera's design; some professional FullHD video cameras do produce excellent output without needing 4K capability. I can't imagine using 8K for anything as I'd run out of storage space very quickly, and my patience would not endure editing them. No matter what technological miracle we're given, it never seems enough, and then the 'next big thing' comes along to part us from our money. Yes, they want people to want something more so that they can make money without having to find new customers. However, it's up to us to decide whether to take up on the offered products. I think the Z6 II is actually quite good for what I use it for (mainly it's limited when there is fast movement towards or away from the camera) and have no plans for now for a Z9 purchase. Time we were happy with what we've already got. Just for the sake of the planet and before we're left with nothing! I can't really disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Is that what 30fps sounds like with the long jumper? Ilkka. (mainly it's limited when there is fast movement towards or away from the camera) +1 Head on tracking was always tricky! Edited October 20, 2021 by mike_halliwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 After 1 hour 20 minutes, there'd be nobody left awake to care. There's those nice, long single takes of wildlife in the forest and bird-feeders that would keep the cat's entertained for hours....on a wall sized 8K screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 video concerts, long discussions or similar events That's why I said 'almost no-one'.......;) I did add, If it will do, say, 1080P60 for 5 hours or so, that might make unattended hide use interesting. So I can fore-see some uses! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 With the Z6, I often capture an hour or two of video, but edit it down to 30 seconds or a minute. It is no different from shooting 500 frames and only show a couple of them. I also crop the center of the frames in videos. You may capture 8K and only show a cropped 4K or standard HD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) I also crop the center of the frames in videos Is it 'simple' to crop 8K to 4K or FHD in random directions? I'm thinking of BIF where the footage is jinking around, cos of me, but the bird is pretty stable. I'm sure I had a plug-in once that stabilised 4K > HD by finding something in the frame as a reference that's in all the frames, shifting all the frames so that 'point' didn't move.... and dumping the rest outside the box. I guess it's the external equivalent of pixel cropping stabilization in older cams. Edited October 20, 2021 by mike_halliwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Even with iPhone video, they already have software to trim the outer 10% or so from your frames to achieve "digital stabilization." I have seen people capturing iPhone video while skiing downhill. The software smooths out the bumps quite well. I am not that much into video editing to purchase software to do a lot of the fancy stuffs. In any case, it is always better to capture more and then throw away whatever you don't need. Memory cards and hard drives are quite cheap, especially when you are buying a Z9 at $6500 or whatever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 In any case, it is always better to capture more and then throw away whatever you don't need. So, if you take 8K you could always crop it or 'bin' it down to 4K....:) As many above have said, who actually has an 8K screen anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 My wife and I just bought our first 4K TV a few months ago, but in the US, Samsung is already selling huge 8K TVs, but you need to have a big house …. The problem is where do those 8K videos come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 20, 2021 Author Share Posted October 20, 2021 There was some 'chat' elsewhere about the AF boxes being added in post, which I don't believe for a second. However, one of the reasons given for thinking this was that there were no other info boxes in the EVF screen view. Maybe it's a new EVF option? It just shows the live image and AF point. No other crap. I'd like that! That's what the button bottom left of the EVF might be... EVF Info display options > select. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 You can turn off the other features displayed in the EVF than the image and the AF boxes via a custom function already in the Z6 II. There are different ways in which the camera manufacturer could create such a video, as they no doubt have access to the inner data produced by the camera and could simply store the evf feed as a video (with boxes). Of course, it would also be possible to add it in post but this would seem clumsy and potentially misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_halliwell Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 You can turn off the other features displayed in the EVF than the image and the AF boxes via a custom function already in the Z6 II. Toggleable by a single button would be nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 It is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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