Eos M or S100 or G15 ?

[sami_palta1]

<p>What is the difference, which one should I go?<br>

I prefer S100 over G series because of room space and very good sensor.</p>

<p>Can someone contribute please what are pros and cons of Eos M and differencies from S100 and G series. Should I have one when I am lazy to carry my 5d2.<br>

Which lenses can I/should I have with Eos M ?</p>

<p>Thank you</p>

<p>Samy</p>

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[arthur_reyes1]

<p>Hi Sami<br>

I don't have either camera you mention except for the 5D2. However I do have the G12. When i bought the G12, I was considering at the time the S95 (precursor to S100). From what I saw, the image quality from both cameras was pretty much the same and was sufficient for my needs. I eventually I decided on the G12 for other reasons; mainly the layout of the controls and how it felt when I hold it. For the G series, I liked how the controls were mostly knobs on top of the camera. Also, I liked how I can have a firm hold of the camera compared to the S series. For me, the S series cameras are too flat and I can't wrap my hand around the side of it to hold it. So you might want to keep these things in mind when making your final decision. I use my G12 as a backup to my 5D2 and love it. I do like the pop up flash. It is convenient. I did find that the photos I took with the G12 didn't look as vibrant and contrasty compared to my 5D2, but that might be because of how I have some settings in my 5D2. Also it was nothing that I couldn't change during final processing of the pictures. So in the end, my final decision was based mostly on feel of the camera rather than any technical specifications since for my needs those were pretty much equal. Good luck!</p>

[dave_thomas8]

<p>I like <a href="http://www.pbase.com/dw_thomas/canong15">my G15</a>, it allows more use of physical controls instead of menus and has a faster lens than the S100 (which is discontinued, replaced by the S110?). I was somewhat disappointed that the G15 shutter lag still seems noticeably worse than my EOS40D which isn't exactly state of the art.<br>

I like the G series controls and shape being more "like a real camera" :-) but I'm an old traditionalist! <br>

I was targeting something portable, inconspicuous and capable, to fall between my quite elderly but still functional A80 and my EOS40D. With the lens retracted, the G15 really is quite compact, although maybe not shirt pocket size. My wife bought an ELPH 100 HS in 2011 and I find it to be just too simple and unhandy for my personal taste.</p>

 

[jaydesi]

<p>Hi Sami,</p>

<p>I have a 7D and an S95 (as Arthur said above, the precursor to the S100). I love having the S95 for the occasional times when carrying/using a DSLR is impractical or impossible. The controls are quite different than either of your other 2 camera options, but it slips into a pocket easily and offers full manual control. The controls are somewhat customizable for convenience, which helps adjust to the difference. It doesn't perform as well at high ISO, but that's to be expected. <br /><br />As far as what choice you should make, it depends what use you intend from this supplemental camera. If the only reason you're looking to supplement your 5D is because there are times you don't want to carry the 5D, I'm not really sure how the EOS-M helps...it still needs lenses, although it is smaller. If you're looking for DSLR quality but just less bulk than the largish 5D body, perhaps the EOS-M is the answer. Are you looking for something that fits in a pocket or small bag? That's going to be the S100. Are you looking for something close to a DSLR but without the need to change lenses? That's likely to mean the G15, although the EOS-M would fit if you only intend to keep one lens on it (but then why buy a camera with interchangeable lenses?).</p>

[Andy Collins]

<p>I had an S95, S100, and a G12. I loved the S100 and the quality of pics that I got from it, and the fact that it fit in my pocket. What I didn't like was the slow AF in low light and how fast the aperture shrank when the lens was zoomed. I loved the G12 as well, partly because it felt more substantial when handling it, but it didn't fit in a pocket very well. Its AF speed also left something to be desired and the maximum aperture at 140mm wasn't very fast either. I considered an EOS M as well as a whole host of other mirrorless or 4/3 choices but decided against those because I don't want another system of body and lenses to spend money on. So I decided to buy the G15. This has quickly become one of my favorite cameras ever. I thought initially that I'd miss the articulated monitor but I don't. Without it the camera is actually pretty compact and will fit in all but the tightest jeans pockets, although it creates a bit of a lump. The AF speed is greatly improved and the fast f/1.8 lens is <em>superb</em>. The fact that the maximum aperture at 140mm is still f/2.8 is also awesome. The camera feels wonderful to handle and its performance is equally as wonderful. I routinely take shots at ISO 800 with great results and even 1600 looks very nice. What's nice though is that with such a fast lens there is less of a need to shoot at higher ISOs unless you want to, and it does a better job of blurring the background. I find myself grabbing this camera a lot more often than my 7D, not because the image quality of the G15 is on par with the 7D (<em>It's not! Truth be told, each time I pick up my 7D I'm reminded how great a camera it is, even 3 years down the road!</em>), but because it still delivers image quality that I'm very happy with, enough so that I don't mind leaving my 7D behind on many occasions and it's a compact enough package to carry everywhere and still feel confident that I have a camera good enough to get the results that I want to get in most situations.</p>

[james_turner6]

<p>There is a fairly similar thread over on the mirrorless forum: <a href="/digital-camera-forum/00bGtv">link</a></p>

[tim_hodges]

I have a 5dmk2 plus a S90. I bought a EOS M for travelling . I have the kit with a 22mm pancake lens and a EF

converter so I can use my EOS lenses. This set up gives me a lot of flexibility when out and about. The low light

performance is great and having the advantage of either using a travel flash or in conjunction with larger flash units.

It is quick to focus and a delight to use.

Tim

[angkordave]

<p>I have a 5D2 and G1X, although its slow in action the IQ with its near APS sensor is very good indeed; especially in low light. I dislike the Viewfinder, but at least it has one; unlike the EOS M and G15 which are crippled by the lack of an EVF finder. <br>

Even worse Canon have stopped the tilting screen on G15 and EOS M. <br />Canon are really trying hard to alienate customers or draw themselves to Sony or Olympus with their excellent mirror less offerings with good viewfinders.</p>

[PuppyDigs]

<p>The S series is difficult to hold for me, sorting like gripping a bar of soap! Holding my S90 at arm's length gave me a lot of blurry pictures and frustration with the microscopic controls. I gave it away to a happy family member. My 5D MKII and 24-105 L are my travel combo as I never miss a shot or suffer hand shake/grip problems.</p>

<p>However, having a smaller camera is nice for going out to dinner/bar/casino or just keeping in the messenger bag 24/7. So while I considered the EOS M, I went with an Olympus E-P3 instead. Why? The M4/3 system is a lot more mature with dozens of lenses from Oly, Panasonic, Sigma, Tamron and a few others. IQ approaches APS-C quality and basically buries S series IQ. Plus Oly AF is a lot faster than the EOS M in low light or any light for that matter. Finally, the optical and EVF accessory viewfinders pull it over the top for me. No more composing on a tiny screen at arm's length. The clip-on VF-1 bright line viewfinder and 17mm 1.8 are a righteous combo.</p>

[dave_thomas8]

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<p>... unlike the EOS M and G15 which are <strong>crippled</strong> by the lack of an EVF finder.</p>

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<p>(emphasis added)</p>

<p>As a G15 owner I can only say "Holy Edward Weston, Batman -- are you serious? <em><strong>CRIPPLED</strong>?" </em><br>

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It's got an optical viewfinder and a live view LCD that seems brighter and capable of wider angle viewing than earlier generations of P&S cameras. I mean geeze, I didn't buy it for commercial work, it's for travel and those activities when you don't want to be encumbered with gear.</p>

<p>How did I ever shoot hand held with a 4x5 and a wire frame finder?!</p>

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[angkordave]

<p>I would not buy any camera without a proper viewfinder. The rotating screens on the G12 and G1X make up in some way for the basic OVF (which has no info and the lens intrudes. When I looked at the EVFs from Olympus and Sony they are so much better now and I wish I had considered one.<br>

The ergonomics of a fixed LCD screen is terrible and in bright sunlight can be unusable. I have found a way of attatching a Hoodman Lupe by elastic to the flip out screen which helps; but adds considerably to bulk.<br>

I do hope Canon produce an EOS M with EVF; I might be interested then.</p>

 

[romuald.janik]

<p>I have an EOS 7D and roughly a year ago I bought a S100. I am very happy with it - the IQ is good, the size is really small - as I am using it sometimes instead of the 7D I really want to feel the difference! And also it is very flat so it fits very well into a pocket. As far as handling is concerned, the thing that I love about the S100 is the circular ring around the lens which I set from the start to control the zoom (in preset steps - 28/35/50/85/100/120). At least for me this makes shooting with it more SLR like - personally I hate the standard zooming controls of most compacts.<br>

So I would recommend the S100 as the most extreme (sizewise) complement to the 5d2 which still delivers acceptable quality...</p>

 

[phule]

<p>[[The ergonomics of a fixed LCD screen is terrible and in bright sunlight can be unusable]]</p>

<p>Unusable? Hundreds of millions of photographs are taken each year using cameras without viewfinders. Your personal definition of "unusable" is flawed. </p>

 

[angkordave]

<p>Rob Bernhard. I did say "in bright sunlight <strong>can be unusable</strong>" a LCD can be seen easily in shade and at night.<br>

Holding a camera away from ones eyes, is nowhere near as stable as a camera held correctly with a proper viewfinder. A tilting LCD is a bit better as one can position it to reduce reflections.<br>

Anyway just because hundreds of millions of photos are taken without an optical or EVF doesn't mean they are good ones.<br>

Most people who take photos (as opposed to amateur or pro photographers) dont really care that much about quality. They have no interest in the quality options that many of these cameras have. Many just want to get an image on Facebook and never see their images printed.</p>

 

[phule]

<p>[[Holding a camera away from ones eyes, is nowhere near as stable as a camera held correctly with a proper viewfinder.]]<br>

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This is an urban myth and generalized nonsense. <br>

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