What types of pictures look best in black and white?

[AlanKlein]

<p>Anyone who evey watched the Humphrey Bogart movie <em>Casablanca </em>or an old Mickey Mouse cartoon didn't understand the story line or not moved by the performance because they were in B/W? Would you have cried more or laughed harder if they were in color?<br>

Ever look at a cartoon or an artist who draws a few lines and your brain can decipher and assemble exactly what the object is and what it is doing? All without much detail or color.<br>

Maybe color takes us out of the shadow of the night when fear of claw and fang disappear with the rising of the sun making us feel warm and safe because of its color producing light. But it doesn't do much to understand whether people are smiling or lions snarling.</p>

[richardsperry]

<p>Mike,</p>

<p>It is a hypothesis, not a conclusion.</p>

<p>And according to you, I am more genetically similar to either of my parents, than I am my siblings? Is that what you are saying? That I have more genetically in common with my mother than my sisters. That is what you are saying, correct?</p>

[richardsperry]

<p>Sarah,<br>

New ideas appear sloppy. They usually are. Remember the Aquatic Ape hypothesis that was published in science mags back in the 90's. That was pretty funny, don't you think?<br>

You still have not answered my question as to the evolutionary reason, some selection advantage, as to why human females have reproductive cycles with coincides with the lunar phases. That makes us different than all other apes. Why do apes have estrus, and humans have menses?<br>

What is the alabaster hall'ed Sciences' (unsloppy) explanation for this difference?</p>

[richardsperry]

<p>Maybe there are some hunters here who are photographers and can confirm a couple hunting thoughts. What time of day is the best time of day to hunt, when are they the most successful? Is it in the middle of the day, or is it at dawn or dusk?<br>

And why is it illegal to hunt at night in most states? Hunting at night is considered poaching and is illegal in California, at least. I think fishing for catfish is an exception though.<br>

I suppose that authentic Native Americans may get a pass on that, what are their laws on hunting at night.</p>

[mike dixon]

"And according to you, I am more genetically similar to either of my parents, than I am my siblings? Is that what you are saying? That I have more genetically in common with my mother than my sisters. That is what you are saying, correct?"

 

No, that's not what I said. I have no idea how you interpreted what I said to mean that. On average, you share 50% of your genes with each parent and with full siblings (though you'd share 100% or your genes with an identical twin). If your sibling has a child (with someone other than your close relative), that child (your niece of nephew) would share 25% of your genes. Your own child (with someone other than your close relative) would share 50% of your genes.

[richardsperry]

Mike, twins aside,

 

50% as my siblings?

 

If I have a Doberman and a Chihuahua. And I breed them, will they look more like each other or like mom or pop?

 

 

"No, that's not what I said. I have no idea how you interpreted what I said to mean that"

 

So you meant 50% like my mother and 50% like my sister. But I have 50% my father in there too, so does my sister. My

mom doesn't. You meant that they are the same?

[sarah_fox]

<p>Mike has it right -- 50%, more or less. The reason it's "more or less" lies in the particulars of the X and Y chromosomes, which you share and which you do not, and how many genes are coded on each (fewer on the Y). Also, with your sibs, it's luck of the draw on the autosomal genes. With your parents, however, you have a nice 50% split on the autosomal genes. You get exactly 50% from each parent.</p>

<p>28 day menstrual cycle? Perhaps. However, there is variance in this cycle length between women. Why is that? Also why is the cycle not locked to the phase of the moon?</p>

<p>Why do (nocturnal) dogs, cats, rodents, etc., etc., have estrus and not humans (who you argue are also nocturnal creatures)?</p>

<p>What does any of this have to do with homosexuality? (Your assertions about birth order are directly contrary to research findings, BTW.)</p>

<p>I don't mean to sound negative, and I certainly don't want to belittle anyone, but I am reluctant to join into this broad-scoping discussion any further because (1) I feel it has strayed WAY, WAY off topic, and (2) I don't feel the assumptions upon which you build your theory are valid. As the saying goes, "garbage in, garbage out," or simply "GIGO."</p>

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[martinangus]

<p>I'm not sure this thread could possibly get any more off-topic! Oh wait... we haven't touched on "<strong>Artistic creativity of the male bovine during the harvest moon</strong>" or "<strong>The cross breeding of the common dafodil with a siberian tiger</strong>"!</p>

 

[sarah_fox]

<p>I'll make one last contribution, though, in an effort to drag this discussion back on track with regard to the nocturnal/diurnal hunting theme:</p>

<p>We ARE a diurnal species. We are naturally afraid of the dark. (Ask any young kid.) Through our technologies (electric lights, fire, etc.), we do venture somewhat into the night, which is scary for us (e.g. scary campfire stories), but we learn to explore, expand, and conquer. Perhaps the night becomes exciting to us and gets our attention. You are correct that our color vision is greatly copromised/altered at night (e.g. the Purkinje effect), and B&W photographs do SOMETIMES, but not always, convey that night-time feeling. So perhaps that makes them exciting.</p>

<p>On the other hand, I often like B&W photos that are very much "cheerful," relaxed, and/or grounded in a daytime appearance. Why is that? For instance:</p>

<p><img src="http://www.graphic-fusion.com/phjokersm.jpg" alt="" /><br /> and<br /> <img src="http://www.graphic-fusion.com/phapothecarysm.jpg" alt="" /><br /> and...</p>

<p><img src="http://www.graphic-fusion.com/phcherokee01sm.jpg" alt="" width="467" height="700" /><br /> and...<br /> <img src="http://www.graphic-fusion.com/phcarnival02sm.jpg" alt="" /></p>

<p>Note that none of what I've suggested about conquering noctural fear is really addressable through science. It's just speculation on my part as a photographer. (My scientist hat is on the coat tree right now.)</p>

<p>I'd say B&W works for a variety of reasons in a variety of circumstances.</p>

[mukul_dube]

<p>Original question: What types of pictures look best in black and white?<br>

Maybe we should try to answer it -- though I do not think there is a single answer, nor one that will apply to all viewers. But enough rambling, for pity's sake.</p>

[richardsperry]

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<p>What does any of this have to do with homosexuality? (Your assertions about birth order are directly contrary to research findings, BTW.)</p>

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<p>Sarah,</p>

<p>You mistake what I wrote as an assertion.</p>

<p>It was a hypothetical hypothesis, that's all. I don't know what the research findings are.</p>

<p>I already believe that homosexuality is a genetic trait, I don't really have to convince anyone of that. Or learn that myself. It seems like a plausible explanation of a how a seemingly paradoxical situation becomes non paradoxical; that is to say "how do non reproducing males pass genetic code to the next generation". Kinship reproduction seems plausible, regardless of the actual particulars.<br /> I do have a real observation that needs explanation though, all of my male gay associates are very attracted to breasts. They love breasts, they love big breasts. Some even want breasts, or want men with breasts(or women with penises). This seems counter to the whole homosexuality thing, and I have no explanation for it.</p>

<p>Fred is the one who brought up non reproducing people initially, not me.</p>

[johne37179]

<p>Richard: I think you may have an interesting topic there. But for the life of me I cannot find a nexus to black and white photos.</p>

[Spearhead]

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<p>But for the life of me I cannot find a nexus to black and white photos.</p>

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<p>Me neither. This can be a topic for the Off Topic Forum if someone wants. End of the line...</p>