doug_hagerman Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Wish I had a video of me picking up my M2 from the police evidence locker. After living with a sophisticated Japanese SLR for six months (theft insurance payoff) it was shocking to see how simple the old Leica was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_nu_tamm Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 It has nothing to do with this german brand name, but anyway, all those unboxing videos look the same: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielkennedy Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Andy, not to flog a dead horse but the sensor in the Olympus E-400 is nothing like the sensor in the M8 except for the fact that they're both CCD technology based and developed by Kodak. <br><br> The sensor in the M8 is the Kodak KAF-10500 with a 6.8µm pixel pitch. <br><br> The sensor in the E-400 is a Kodak KAI-10100 with a 4.7µm pixel pitch.<br><br> Also, the KAF-10500 is an APS-H sized sensor, whereas the KAI-10100 is a four thirds system sized sensor (roughly half the surface area). Contrary to your earlier statement, crop factor is a direct derivative of sensor size. Here is a chart to help you:<br><br> <img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/SensorSizes.png/431px-SensorSizes.png" border="0" alt="SensorSizes"> <br><br> Sorry but I can't stand the perpetuation of misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteradownunder Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Daniel - your forgot to include the 617 chip just announced by RED ...<p> <a href="http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/">yes a 617 sized chip </a> mine is on order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Daniel, you may be completely correct, though copying the sensor size chart from a Wikipedia article doesn't strike me as the greatest proof in the universe. Whatever. My original point, regardless whether the Kodak chip is identical or not, is that the quality of photos from any 10MP digital with an APS-size chip is more alike than not. I just came back from a meeting with a curator for a show I am doing, looking at prints roughly 16x22, shot by an Oly DSLR, a Nikon D200, a Nikon D300, and film, and the only thing I know for sure is we all preferred the film, the rest was of optically indistinguishable quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 You make your choices. I like small cameras. Have always liked them. They were invented because they were easier to maneuver to get a shot than twin lens reflexes or view cameras. It was not difficult for me many years ago to come to the realization that I would probably never use large or medium format if the point was fun, because the cameras were just too much of a pain in the ass to haul around and didn't suit what I wanted to do anyway. One of the best street cameras going today has a tiny sensor. It's called a GRD. It's optimum performance is ISO 100- anything past that runs the risk of looking 'rustic.' So sure, it has limitations. But it's a whiz of a machine for catching fleeting expressions and gesture. In the motion of an arm and the blink of an eye it does its work.<p> As for film? Film's great, love it. It limits how much I can edit through though, and that's important to me at this stage.<p> This pursuit of technical perfection- it's a thing we have, never to be attained. We all know it's the light, the content, the technique of the photographer that makes 98% of the work. Would you really think about a difference once you don't have the prints side by side and get caught up in the content of what the photograph is saying? OK maybe, depends. I've still never seen prints like Atget's.. If you want to see the sublime in photography there's no better ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 In all truthfulness though I indeed do need to get back to printing. No doubt too much of the monitor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Ray, agreed again. Small is good. And yes, the truth really is in the print. I've got 10 prints in a group show next week and have been printing a bunch. Those blown or almost blown highlights from digi look like crap printed up even when you move the exposure down to compensate. You know I do just about all color, but I find it easier by far to get a realistic-looking black and white print from a digital file than a color one. I've used Alien Skin and have fiddled a whole lot with some files, but printed up relatively big color digis and the film scans are immediately distinguishable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteradownunder Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 A link to your 10 shots AK - dont be shy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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