photo_dark Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 "The point is, jump ship might happen for the higher end DSLRs too." I somewhat doubt it... while you are correct in your particular situation, I think that is the exception, not the rule. I have a significant investment in L lenses, and most paid photogs and pros are in the same boat. It's a major cost to overhaul your entire collection. Not only would I need to buy a new body, but I would also need the 24-70 F2.8, 14-24 F2.8, and 70-200 F2.8 VR. Not a cheap prospect in any sense. Plus, since I always need a backup body, I would also need to purchase a second body... likely a D300 or D90 which is a $1000-$1800 prospect to tack on top. Not to mention any flashes or other equipment that isn't cross-platform compatible. All said and done, it's a stretch to think that anyone with any kind of investment in one system is going to 'jump ship' no matter what the other side offers. For the most part, barring a major advantage, D3/D300 shooters are Dx/Dxxx shooters and 1D/5D shooters are xD shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkman Posted September 8, 2008 Author Share Posted September 8, 2008 looks like it will called a 7D http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=29226620 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suhaskulkarni Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 The 7D picture in dpreviwe forum is probably fake. So I am not sure the credibility of the information about 5D upgrade. Canon China is not leaking 7D this time. BTW some of the forum members mentioned that the 7D is 1.3x crop camera and will be positioned between 50D and new 5D. Again - I am not sure how credible this information is... but I never thought there would be any new camera from Canon with 1.3X crop factor... Will have to wait until some Canon web site leaks it or announces it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suhaskulkarni Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Well, I take that back :-) I just do a google search on Canon web site and the Canon teaser page comes up! This means there is some reference to "7D" may be file name or the name of the image... Here is attachment<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_brown26 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 "This means there is some reference to "7D" may be file name or the name of the image..." Nope. It just means people have been linking to that page on other websites while referencing "7D". You can bring up the page source on the EVOLUTION page, but it's just the normal html; everything is inside the swf (flash). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim_m Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Probably you get a free trip to the moon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamingstudio Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 The new sony Alpha... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/09/09/sony_a900 Well lets see what they announce... but perhaps the moon is a bit too crpytic. Although you never know... announcement at the full moon which occurs in Europe in around 5 days.(someone can correct my lack of diary). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave92029 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 http://www.dpreview.com/previews/SonyDSLRA900/ MSRP with IS built into the body for less than $3000! Now that Sony has announced it's suggested retail price perhaps Canon will come forward. The photos in the DP Review and the price of the Sony sure do make it an attractive alternative. Now if Canon wil bring the 21 MP 5D MK II in for less than $2500, That would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenPapai Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 "reference to "7D" may be file name or the name of the image..." 7D is also a valid term in Canon's healthcare market -- the retinal camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkman Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 "The photos in the DP Review and the price of the Sony sure do make it an attractive alternative. Now if Canon wil bring the 21 MP 5D MK II in for less than $2500, That would be interesting." With this image quality at ISO 200 http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/AA900/FULLRES/YDSC00098.HTM This camera offers no competition for either Canon or Nikon at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suhaskulkarni Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 >> This camera offers no competition for either Canon or Nikon at this time. Well, we can't conclude at this time unless A900 is shot side by side with Canons/ Nikons same time, same lighting conditions, similar settings. I observed though that the shadow areas in the scene are very well exposed without blowing up highlights of the sky, so I guess good dynamic range handling is there. One more thing is A900 weights just 850 grams which is unbelievable. Have they used plastic to reduce the weight? On paper :light weight, in body image stabilization, low price (if iti is 3000$) looks promising for the Full Frame DSLR. Lens also look good (although the pricing is unkown at this point of time) Just dont know how A900 system will behave in the field. Will have to wait for tests. It would be good if Bob Atkins can test it. dpreview / imaging-resource / luminous landscape will produce their test reports anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissyone Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 But it's so freakin' huge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkman Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 "Well, we can't conclude at this time unless A900 is shot side by side with Canons/ Nikons same time, same lighting conditions, similar settings. I observed though that the shadow areas in the scene are very well exposed without blowing up highlights of the sky, so I guess good dynamic range handling is there. " I am not sure what you are looking at, look at foreground it is crawling with noise and digital artifacts. No modern DSLR camera has this much noise in well lit ISO200 shot--I am sorry.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkman Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 Here is a comprasion between the Sony 24 mpixel and Nikon D700, despite having twice as many pixels Sony captures less fabric detail. Those extra megapixels only create aditional heat when you process the images in your computer. I think it is time for people to realize that more in numbers is not always better. This is similar to the situation with respect to CPUs a few year back when all they were doing was increasing core clock frequency. After a while Intel realized the apprach was wrong and started moving towards more efficient architectures instead of more "MHz". The same will happen in camera market. Nikon has already picked a 12 Mpixel healthy sesnsor...I hope Canon doesn't make Sony's mistake. Sony a900 http://www.stanford.edu/~ahazeghi/pics/AA900hSLI0800_crop.jpg Nikon D700 http://www.stanford.edu/~ahazeghi/pics/D700hSLI00800_crop.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suhaskulkarni Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Agreed, Agreed! I saw other sample shots on other websites too.. and A900 does seem to be noisier than other full frames. Imaging resource (http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/AA900/AA900A.HTM) mentioned that they tested on production A900 ("we've just posted a full Sony A900 review based on an early production sample camera". How ever how this was possible, since A900 is yet to come to market). They did mention that there is noise even at ISO 200. They mentioned few good points too - to mention a few. However it is true that at this price point one would not expcet that high amount of noise. Pros # Built-in SteadyShot image stabilization # Surprisingly fast, given the amount of data the camera is pushing around # Good color rendering: Natural without seeming flat # Huge viewfinder image, really hearkens back to the days of film SLRs (in a good way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkman Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 "since A900 is yet to come to market" It isn't uncommon for reputable review website like Imaging resource to have a sample camera before it is released to the public, dpreview.com has a preview too with a sample gallery so Sony was apparently confident of the samples going online. It is likely that they even have the 5D replacement and are producing a preview as of now... The alpha surely has a nice finder and I actually like the style of the body, looks like a manual professional camera, but my point was unfortunately at this price ($3000) which is the same as Nikon D700 with more features and better image quality it is hard to imagine that Nikon and Canon will be forced to rethink their pricing policy. If this camera was priced at something closer to $1500-$2000 (which btw used to be the very top of the line film cameras before digital) then it would offer some competition and maybe cause prices to drop a bit...but as it as, I don't see many people who would be looking at D700 and 5D replacement considering this camera... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suhaskulkarni Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Here is another perspective on Sony A900 review. There is comparison with Canon EOS 1Ds Mk III too. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/a900-nr.shtml The author gave thumps up to the camera based on his experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamingstudio Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Is it my imagination; or does each time it load (different day) the image gets increasingly stronger...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suhaskulkarni Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 The image does not get stronger, but when I look it on my office computer it looks weak and when I look at it from my home laptop it looks more detailed. But the two versions (office & home) are same from the day I saw first. I think it is something to do with display settings of monitor . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenPapai Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I cannot get the teaser image any clear than this:<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamingstudio Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Someone else now posted that the image is also gettng clearer... as on my version I see the word Canon clearly displayed across the top; a blocked out lens etc. If you dont see it you might need to refresh your page / cache http://www.photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00QnuH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkman Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 yes it is being unshadowed progressively-here is how it looks today. note that there is no popup flash bottom (for good or bad) and also EOS logo is etched on the body like the 1 series cameras instead of being on a badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscar_van_der_velde Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Canon is <b>cheating</b> by letting the moon turn the reverse way around the Earth and going slower than the real moon. The part showing Mare Crisium (the small round 'sea' at the upper right edge) is the first to become exposed after New Moon. The sunlight should have appeared on the right hand side and we would have the correct model name exposed way sooner! In fact, the progress is also much slower than our current real moon. We have a waxing gibbous moon already. It is lagging by a week or so. So the hypothesis that Full Moon will be the date the new camera is revealed may not be correct either, count on a week later, at the start of Photokina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimstrutz Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Obviously Canon's new camera is upsetting the natural balance of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissyone Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Yeah, Oscar. You should know that the 5D II has its own orbit and gravity. Just look at us all, pulled along in its tide... >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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