think27 Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Josh is right on! I agree with him 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjacksonphoto Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I have to agree with Josh, as well. I wouldn't (personally) take the bride's approach of deducting the money first and asking second, but she is, in essence, asking if she can deduct the money. I think a straight forward reminder that the bridal portrait wasn't included in the original cost, with a little sympathy as to her fitting issues, is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake_holt Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I agree that your original response has a lecturing tone - if I received a similar message from someone I was doing business with, I would be insulted. How about dropping the parts about "the basis of a business relationship" and "isn't an acceptable means of dealing with the issue." To be frank, you sound like a scolding teacher, parent or boss, not a businessperson! It is in your best interest to definitely not send that email as-is. Soooo, I would cut to the chase while showing understanding but still keeping a business-like tone. I mean, she did write to ask you what to do and IF she could pay the lesser amount, so it's not like she was just trying to slip it past you. Like you, I also offer complimentary sessions with some packages, and while they are clearly described as "complimentary" in all of my marketing materials, if my clients are unable to use the time prior to the wedding I will often offer to let them use the time on the wedding day or at some time after the wedding. Personally, due to the "misunderstanding," I would let any late fees slide for at least one week from the date of my response, and I would clearly state that in my response. I would simply email first, and then call and THEN send a certified letter within a couple of days if I did not receive a response. So, this would be my response: "Hi Client! I received your payment in the amount of $xxx,xxx,xxx.xx today - thank you! Your receipt is attached. I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with scheduling your dress alterations. We can still get your photos ready in time for your wedding day if you are able to schedule your session within the next (insert whatever time frame that works for you). If you are unable to schedule your session within the next (whatever amount of days), you can use the alloted session time as an addition to your wedding day coverage, or you could even schedule a day-after portrait session or a portrait session sometime down the road. However, since the session was a complimentary service, you were not charged for the session, and therefore, no refund or payment reduction can be given. Your remaining balance of $500 is due today, August 28th, but due to the confusion surrounding the scheduling of your session, I'll be happy to toss out any late fees for a week, through the end of the day next Thursday, in order to give you time to take care of the payment. If you have any questions, feel free to call me at your convenience. Thanks again, - Jake" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_h.1 Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Jake's proposed letter is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagesax Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I would never ever address something so important in an email. I would strongly suggest you and the bride get together. In fact when a bride emails me I call and I've never once emailed a bride for any reason. I feel emails are a wrong way to run serious business. As harsh as this sounds the benefit is a closeness you obtain with the couple by calling. Has my business suffered from never answering emails? Maybe, but our studios still blasts out an average of 80 to 100 weddings a year, not to mention corporate work, event gigs, and whatever else we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagesax Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Sorry for the typo; blast, not blasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jo_dinning Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I like Jake's letter too - it is friendly but clear and firm. Clearly the majority on this thread think that short and sweet is the way to go, and I'd certainly agree with that. I do think I would like to make a point about when to reward a client though. There have been some comments on this thread such as: "She didn't necessarily deduct money from the bill, while she did send in less than what was owed, she sent it before she got an answer to her question." "I would suggest that half of the normal fee would be acceptable as a gesture of my goodwill in the circumstances." "I agree that your original response has a lecturing tone - if I received a similar message from someone I was doing business with, I would be insulted." It is wise IMO to encourage only good clients for the good of your business long term. I have found that difficult clients and those that refuse to pay take up far too much of my time, which really should be spent putting more into the work of those clients who pay on time and are a pleasure to do business with - there are only so many hours in the day, and clearly good clients are worth more to your business in the long term. There is a big difference between a client who has a genuine query or issue (which of course should be responded to with every measure of good customer service), and a client who automatically deducts money from the bill, pays late, argues over previously agreed terms, or makes fluffy reasons as to why they have not paid. If a client gets a short answer from me and an insistence to pay, it is inevitably because they themselves have done the wrong thing in the first place - you reap what you sow. In this case, the client should have made the query first, and then on receiving the answer, paid the full amount - not automatically deduct leaving the balance unpaid by the due date. By reducing the bill further for no good reason as was one suggestion, in the long term we all do ourselves no favours - it only encourages chancey behaviour and an expectation that if a client does the wrong thing and makes things difficult that they will get a reward. If the client were to be insulted by any of the answers given through this thread, then her feelings of being insulted were only prompted by insulting a paid professional first. Clients who don't pay phototographers also hold back from paying other vendors too. Business is a two-way street - and whilst as professionals we should provide the highest standards of services and products, there is a responsibility of a client to acknowledge that they must do the right thing in return - pay on time and in full. Anyway, just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
think27 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Bob, I agree a phone call is in order here but I would follow it up with an email to confirm the conversation just for the sake of a paper trail. Always good to have written correspondence in case you need to prove your agreements later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagesax Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Mary, this is sound advice. I've never had to go to court, so keeping a paper trail is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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