stillbound Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Not art obviously but I did get to shoot what looks to be an amazing camera - a camera that barring an amazingcounter by canon will I think be enough to get me to dump my L glass...It feels just like a D300 - nothing new in feel and due to the fact that CS3 can't open the raw files I'm reallyglad that i shot raw plus fine jpeg...in any event..here is the first one i shot - 2.8 @ 70MM with Nikon 24-70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Looks like B&H to me. If you already own plenty of Canon lenses, I'd say wait a couple of months. I could be wrong, but I would imagine that Canon will respond by Photokina the latest. If not, Canon is really doing something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillbound Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 that is my worry...that canon is just flat out doing something wrong... I am waiting...but not too much longer<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Got to get the latest and greatest if it means a new system every month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillbound Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 yes - i've had the latest and greatest every month...My 1D mark II is brand new as is all my glass... As someone that makes most of my income shooting - yes I have to have the best tool just as any other person that uses tools for a living does. I only put these up to show some pics out of the camera, not to start the same old "just shoot - it's all about the photographer, not the tools" debate... but as always thanks for your time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliot1 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 What ISO were your two images shot at? Do you have any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillbound Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 i have six 800 for the first 5 and one at 3200<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillbound Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 PS - this was the last one and i was rushing so it's not sharp - but i wanted to see how it handled the blacks. These images are opened and saved for jpeg no other processing JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 That ISO 3200 looks really really clean. To me, it sure looks better than ISO 3200 from the D3, but we should do a head-to-head comparison. It is meaningless to compare images shot under different conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_brown4 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Are they available now? Or, was there a projected availability date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmitry_kiyatkin Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 That looks pretty good to me for 3200. I was all set to jump onto a D3 this month, but it looks like I should wait until this D700 is really out. Any idea when they are really to appear in stores? Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillbound Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 i was told sometime end of august - in quantity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmitry_kiyatkin Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 not july, i see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summitar Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Joseph, the 3D aspect of the 1st photo was impressive. One of my criticisms of digital photos has been that the depth of field is so great that many photos appear to be flat and two dimensional. I am glad that I didn't jump on the D300 band wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zafar1 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 The ISO 3200 image looks unbelievably clean! I am a 5D user too and am seriously contemplating jumping ship if D700 turns out what it is expected to be and if Canon does not follow-up with comparably featured replacement. I am tired of buying accessories for features which come built into Nikon bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose_angel Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Canon are still selling 5Ds like hot cakes, more than ever. Perhaps they are waiting for a 5D stock clearance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_driscoll Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Kerry, The extra DOF on the small sensor is only the equivalent of just over one stop which is not all that great is it? Wouldn't that portrait look much the same if taken on a DX camera with a 50 mm lens at f/1.8 (apart from noise of course)? Anyone with both sets of kit care to do the experiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gy Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Although the D700 looks very good and that I always wanted FF, I will enjoy my couple months old D300 till the next update of D700 and put some wear to it.. For now, as an amateur, I dont see the benefit of spending $ 3000 for the same resolution and plus for the more expensive FX f2.8 zooms.. My D300 is serving me fine and I need to improve my photo skills first than my camera gear. Next update will have higher pixels ( 15-18 mb is enough for me ), better dynamic range and better specifications which than I can hold to that camera for long years. Im more interested in the SB-900 speedlight which looks very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliot1 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Richard, having both the 5D with the 24-70mm and the D300 with the 24-70mm, I notice a huge difference in DOF when shooting portraits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterh Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 DOF is primarily dependant on the brand of the body. The sensor format, the lens, focal length as well as aperture are only secondary paramters. Or was it the other way around? :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_driscoll Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Elliot, Yes, but is it more than about 1.2 stops for a lens with the same angle of view? Say, D300 at 46 mm and f/2.8. 5D at 70 mm and f/4.5? I think that Bob Atkins comes to the same conclusion as me: http://www.photo.net/learn/optics/dofdigital/ ....... but it's a mighty long article and he uses Canon small sensor which is a little smaller than Nikon. Go on Elliot I think your comparative tests are great. I thought your D40, D80, D200 test was particularly good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinwalsh Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Kerry, I have often regretted my jump to the the D300 because of the inability to produce three dimensional looking photos. See how flat this looks.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinwalsh Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Another flat photo. Sorry for the sarcasm :-p I love my D300. I still plan to rent a D700 when I can and maybe purchase if I like it. I think they make a great combo.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trex1 Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Looks like there may be a chink in Canon's armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_driscoll Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Bob Atkins did reach the same conclusion about DOF. In the above URL there is a question, and Bob's reply is:: "<Losing the ability to isolate your subject from the background in-camera, is something I choose not to live with.....> You don't really have to, the effect isn't huge for DLSRs (though it can be huge for consumer digicams with really small sensors). The DOF of an EOS 10D is about the same as the DOF on a 35mm full frame camera stopped if you open up an extra stop and a third. So for example to get about the same depth of field as a 50mm lens on a full frame camera at f2.8 a 31.25mm lens on a 10D needs to be opened up to f1.8. Distant background blur is proportional to format size (assuming equal size prints). So a 10D image will have 1.6x less far distant background blur than a 35mm full frame camera when using equivalent lenses at the same aperture. Again not a huge factor for an EOS 10D, but a significant factor for a digicam with a sensor 4x smaller than full frame 35mm. As before, if the EOS 10D lens is opened up by a stop and a third, background blur will equal that of a full frame image. In practice it's pretty easy to use selective focus with a 10D and blurring the distant backgound is also quite possible with the right lens." The number 1.6 comes up because that is the "crop factor" for a Canon small sensor. For Nikon it's more like 1.52 so the extra DOF for Nikon is a little less for Nikon than Canon and it gets a shade easier to blur the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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