david_grandy1 Posted August 7, 2001 Share Posted August 7, 2001 I got into in order to use the big negative. I thought about the camera movements, and even talked about those movement possibilities; but the whole LF process was intimidating at best and I was certain that like a VCR I'd use about 10% of the camera's capabilities, and be happy with it. (Hinge rule? Sheesh!) And that big neg is nothing to sneer about - 35mm to medium format to LF - and that alone will improve the image. <p> But after I had the thing for awhile I started to play, and that front tilt got used. It affected sharpness as much as a good tripod. To tilt the front and get the same effective depth of field as a small aperture meant a faster shutterspeed instead of f32. I "swung" the front to create the same "sharpening" affect on a building. And sometimes I'd do both. Rise straightened not only buildings, but trees and I started using that. <p> My point is that after you have whatever camera you buy, you will use it in ways you haven't even thought about. So when you look at lenses, and cameras, try to buy MORE than you need right now, just so you don't get frustrated by small image circles (yielding limited movements) or short bellows, or cameras with lack of movements. You can always choose not to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik_ryberg Posted August 7, 2001 Share Posted August 7, 2001 Marcus, <p> I have an enormous Pentax 67 kit and it is my most used camera. I useit professionally for documentary purposes. I also use a CrownGraphic and a Deardorff 8x10. I am very happy with the quality of theprints I get from my P67. I shoot only black and white and develop myown negatives and print my own prints. <p> But when I have time to compose a shot that I care about I will go forthe Crown Graphic or Deardorff every time. I can recognize thedifference from the 4x5 at an 11x14 print size. Perhaps I have ascrewy Pentax body or poor skills or something but even with somewhatold lenses I get slightly better results from the 4x5 image sizeassuming I don't mess something up along the way (which is very easyto do). Even after some years of shooting I still botch a shot withsome regularity due to a film holder problem, development problem, orother user error. The P67 on the other hand gets the shot every timeand for most applications is sharper than necessary anyway. <p> But the real problem with using the P67 is lack of movements. I knowyou don't think you need them, but once you have them and learn to usethem I bet you will wonder how you ever got along without them. Formuch landscape photography you will use a little bit of rise and alittle bit of tilt. The Crown Graphic provides this. The Arca-Swissprovides it in spades. A high quality field camera will almostcertainly give you all you need. <p> Lack of movements are the biggest limitation of the pentax in myopinion. Ease of use, outstanding image quality for a hand-heldcamera, and reliability are the reasons to keep using it. I would beprepared to notice a slight improvement in sharpness and grain, a hugeincrease in cost and botched shots (at least at first), a lot moredifficulty in set-up, a lot more frustration, and a whole new worldopened up for your work in terms of movements. The question aboutmonorail v. field camera is mostly a question of style, portability,and desire for movements. I doubt you will need the movements amonorail will give you, but some do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al camp Posted January 1, 2002 Share Posted January 1, 2002 Those using a medium format camera could adapt a bellows from close up photography that would give them tilt. Lee Mann, Washington State photographer, did this decades ago. It worked great. <p> I tend to use the back to get my depth, as I like the distortion. <p> I started with a graphic, moved to a wista and finally to a Linhof. You could do the same or learn from others' mistakes, and get a good 4x5 right off. But it won't be inexpensive. <p> The only thing I did right was buying good lenses, which I still use. Some of those lenses I probably could not afford to own now, like the Nikon Ts. <p> I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread, but hey, what the heck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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