peteradownunder Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Mr Squire - check this out..:)<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33093861@N00/2297642133/" title="Untitled by Peetey, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/2297642133_4569bec641_o.jpg" width="734" height="500" alt="" /></a><p>I hev my own display cabinet full of stuff I hardly ever use..just love camera gear, especially Leica crapola...buddy boy..and this..<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33093861@N00/2298437278/" title="Untitled by Peetey, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/2298437278_1cc0cd72b3_o.jpg" width="750" height="500" alt="" /></a><p> I could go on..but hopefully you get by now I want insulting anyone.. nothing wrong with collecting stuff you dont use - some people never figure out that it is ok to collect stuff <p> but I do know a lot of very good photographers who really dont care about cameras or lenses passed their utility as objects and a device to get the shots they want to get. <p> there is no judgementalism in making this observation certainly not on my part.<p> You can apologise now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Hey Pete -- I thought I knew what you meant by your comment above at 9:54:<P> <i>"Everyone else is a collector disguised as a shooter." </i> <p> Since I know you -- know you here on the Forum, that is -- I realized you were including yourself, and even laughing at yourself, and not trying to offend anybody.<p> But still, I don't know that I agree with your statement. Seems to me, and here I'd include golfers and fishermen (I am neither) and other hobbyists or pros overloaded with gear, that you can be both a passionate and enthusiastic practitioner, perhaps even an expert, <b>and at the same time</b> something of a collector or gear nut.<p> Now in the end, maybe one of these identities is predominant. Someone could tell me that Elliott Erwitt owns 53 cameras, or even 153 (I have no idea what he owns), but to my mind, it doesn't matter. He's a shooter. <p> And one guy I've met a couple times has bought (and in a few cases also sold ?) a bunch of high-end gear (Leica rangefinders and lenses, R bodies and lenses, medium format, etc. -- all film stuff, I think). I know he takes photos, and they may be very good ones, but I think of him as a gear nut.<p> A childhood friend of mine is a fisherman. He loves to fish and heads out to rugged spots (rugged by North American standards) every year on trips. I know he catches fish. I've eaten some of them myself. But if you ask him about his gear, he starts laughing ... at himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_kowalchuk1 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Don't. I've sold and re-bought and resold and re-bought to get new equipment I absolutely had to have but absolutely couldn't afford. I always paid much more to replace what I'd sold. I promised myself about a month ago (after doing it again) that wouldn't do it again (probably until the next absolutely must have but absolutely can't afford). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david j.lee Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 funny thing,Peter. i want to buy a darkroom piece of equipmente that have gone up in price thanks to the euro/dollar difference, and i am thinking about selling a watch i bought when i came out of school, but it never crosses my mind to sell one of my cameras, even if i don't use those much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike-images Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 My experience is that it's cathartic to sell sometimes. I had a heap of Nikon gear that had served me very well. But my approach had changed and it was just a great big burden to carry around. So I sold it and bought an M4-2 and a couple of lenses. That re-invigorated my photography. Having said that there are sellers and there are keepers. Some pieces of gear are much, much harder to bring yourself to sell than others. Don't sell those! If you are asking this question then this is something that is on your mind. Clear your mind for more important things - like taking photos - sell the stuff that's not being used. If I were you (and of course I'm not!) I'd keep the M6 and the M lenses, keep the M4-2 as a spare and sell all of the rest...your take may vary. Love the cabinet Pete. Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteradownunder Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Michael S - well I guess if you put the two cases into little Venn diagram ellipses there would certainly be a strong case to suggest that there may be some overlap - space limitations and people's attention spans require some brevity in responding to questions, and it is always a good debating trick to leave out the middle ground - for for an agreed and inevitable consensus ... I agree with you there is always a happy medium for most. I am still scratching my head over my ability to offend the sensitive at times though! LOL<p> Mike H - I looked around for quite a while before I could get myself a nice old fashioned wood and glass large display cabinet. It is the best way to keep humidity under control- and when I turn on the lights at night in an otherwise darkened room - usually fondling some piece of gear at the same time - all I can say is ..WOW! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott squire nonfiction Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 To Peter A.: that's an awfully nice pile of gear. By your logic I guess I'm meant to infer that since you've got this lovely cabinet full of equipment, you're not "seriously interested in photography". I'm prepared to believe that you are more interested in gear than in photography. That's fine. I think it's the case for a lot of people and I don't think there's some moral or ethical hierarchy governing these things. But you're saying that anyone who's interested in gear beyond some minimum is somehow not seriously interested in photography. Um, with all due respect, sir, that's just goofy. 8^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteradownunder Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Scott - there is no such thing as a 'goofy' opinion when it comes to matters regarding hobbies and past times. All this stuff for amateur shooters by definition is discretionary expenditure in money and time. It is about having fun. <p> The first point I was making was that there was no correlation between how much gear one has and how many photographs worth printing one makes ( and that doesn't imply a negative correlation either). The second observation I was making , was that it is ok to collect stuff if that is what you like doing.<p> In the past people have been criticized for collecting stuff - I have always found that amusing - much like a non golfer telling a golfer that golf is a goofy game.As if collecting stuff is a bad thing to do. As if having stuff sit in a display cabinet is naughty. I personally think it is naughty for people to have an opinion about what other people do with their time and hard earned - and that was the third (and only implicit) point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsimmons Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I really like my collection of 1950s 8mm movie gear, each of which I've shot one roll of film through, and none of which I am using today. Maybe someday, as I do have some film in the freezer, but I have no intention of selling the gear. It's gorgeous stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony_brookes5 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Never sell anything ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Sell all that you don't use, and give the money away. There is no better feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmdelux Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Keep the M4 and the 35mm lens. Sell everything else. Buy some film, a bottle of Johnny Walker and use the camera. Chapeau! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l_dasousa Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 <b>I have a lovely Leicaflex SL with a 200/f2.8</b></p>I did not ever hear of such a lens by Leica for R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natures-pencil Posted March 2, 2008 Author Share Posted March 2, 2008 Mr DaSousa - sorry - that was a slip of the mind. The lens is a 180 f/2.8. Not highly rated - but I don't know why - it is excellent. Thanks to everyone for all your opinions and suggestions. It has helped me to a decision. My M6 and 35/50/75 lenses I will never sell. I might even add a 21mm. I made the mistake of selling an M6 with 35 and 75 lenses once, and only ended up buying the same stuff back again. It is a wonderful outfit. It was perceived as light and compact 20 years ago but now seems quite bulky and heavy compared to 21st Century marvels. Even so, in many ways it trounces the digital alternatives: Simplicity, viewfinder viewing and focussing, no-squashed nose(!), direct control (no automation to second-guess you), no start up delay, instantly ready to shoot again after each shot, no battery dependence, works in extremes of heat and cold (and in pouring rain), NO SHUTTER LAG, low light capability, and top class results - whatever criteria you use - resolution, sharpness, gradation. The price you pay is having to mess about with film. Small price. Everything else will go. It is just sitting in a box. That includes the M4-2. It is not a great backup as a. it lacks 75mm frame lines, and b. I wear glasses and the metal viewfinder surround is scratchy. I can fit a rubber eyecap, but then I can't see all the 35mm frame! But for someone with good eyesight, and no interest in the 75mm lens, it will be a great camera. If I ever need a backup I'll find one of the latest MPs. I don't need the money - but for the record it will start a fund to buy a grand piano! Now ... what to do with the 2000+ books that I'll never read, or even dip into, again, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_dimarzio Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Don't sell it, drill holes in everything and make a giant mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger_lu Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 For R system: Try wait until the day when film died (or when film price no longer justify market demand) When a fully supported digital models comes out, from Leica or third party, you can reuse alot of your lenses. Leica has reduce many quality inspection practice and stop producing several telephoto R lens (still listed, but now their cleaning up their stocks) Eventually the like-new condition of your lens will worth equal or sometimes more than the new produced lens these days. But if Leica dropped R system (photokina 2008, who knows).... its wise not to be too brand bonded and justify long-term usability instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natures-pencil Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 <p>Sold EVERYTHING (including Leica M6 and 3 wonderful lenses not mentioned above)<br> I am now the proud owner/user of an Olympus Mju zoom (it was in the glove compartment of the car)<br> My photography has not suffered. If anything it has improved!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natures-pencil Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 <p>Sold EVERYTHING (including Leica M6 and 3 wonderful lenses not mentioned above)<br> I am now the proud owner/user of an Olympus Mju zoom (it was in the glove compartment of the car)<br> My photography has not suffered. If anything it has improved!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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