robert_m_johnson Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 All the "old" people here that were brave enough to take on the net at the precise moment in history that it first became possible, should be looked at as pioneers in a new way to exhibit their work! Remember print newspapers? Before MY generation, no one did this kiddies! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 "I still think Eugene's original post has a point." I can't argue with his beliefs or yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 But I don't think it is fair to pile on Orville, he did not ask to be made an example. Plus he seems to be a genuinely pleasant and unassuming fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Andy, if I spent a few hours around a boxing ring I could match your pics! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 It's not a belief, Robert, it is an observation which may or may not be factually correct. Orville may not fit this but that does not mean Eugene is wrong:<p> <i>Too many photographers I know are like this. They first start out in photography because they like taking pretty pictures; then they realize that a "pretty picture" is not enough to bring them any serious recognition; and so they fall to the charm of the supposedly anti-aesthetic grittiness and artiness that street photography exudes (BTW, this "grittiness" forms an aesthetic of its own, thus contributing to the SP's downfall by not making it fundamentally different from pretty-picture photography). After a while, they realize that SP is only a very marginal genre, with its own group of followers who are mostly middle-aged men who meet mostly on the internet, and who fall into the either the category of hobbyists or outsider artists, and that SP does not and will not give them a ticket to the mainstream art establishment they hoped it would.<p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Txs Robert. Always enjoyed your Worcester stuff myself. Been there a few times and marvel that you can take anything there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I don't know, there are lots of great blues guitarists sitting around playing in their neighborhoods and maybe few people further than a hundred miles away know who they are. Then there's Britney Spears, known by millions. Who has accomplished more and who is happier?<p> For myself, I get most of my satisfaction in photography when I get a good pic or two, and have had a nice day going after it, and had the freedom and health to do it.<p> btw I like your pic with the car in driveway Eugene, nice light on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 </i>end ital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 "All the "old" people here that were brave enough to take on the net at the precise moment in history that..." (rolls eyes) and you walked 5 miles to school everyday...uphill...in the snow. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Eugene nearly always has a point. Then he keeps sharpening the pencil until he's down to a tiny nub ... and the whole thing breaks off. :-)<p> I'd be glad to make an example of Orville: He's <i>my example</i> of both an excellent street photographer and a friendly and helpful forumer. Know anywhere we can find another couple dozen like him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Group HUG!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 "Eugene nearly always has a point" I think his OCD statement was more accurate! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akochanowski Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Putting aside the ascribed motivations, Eugene's point has a certain validity. Street photography is often (not always but often enough) a closed loop with self-referencing photographers. Look at the Flickr street groups, even the curated ones adhere to a rigid formula. That's not to mention the aesthetic largely practiced on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 "and you walked 5 miles to school everyday...uphill...in the snow" with no boots, gloves or coat! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Andy, I'm in agreement with part of Eugene's point as well. Part of it describes my own (to date quite short) journey in photography. But I part company where he gets to the "serious recognition" clause, and I'm out of the building long before he gets to the part about not getting "a ticket to the mainstream art establishment." Serious recognition ? In the arts ? Me ? Ha ! I went through life unable to make anything that didn't end up an ashtray (no matter the assignment), nor draw anything much beyond a stick figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 "Look at the Flickr street groups," There are people there with THOUSANDS of pics in their portfolio's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 i really enjoy flickr. i was worried (on a few levels) when yahoo was about to be bought by MS.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Funny that Eugene mentioned Wolfgang Tillmans. Recently I saw an exhibit of his. It was a large exhibit at a big museum. And there's no question Tillmans has enjoyed quite a bit of artistic acclaim. He's attracted a following. The only problem I had is that with darn few exceptions, I just didn't like the photographs. And his 'mixed media' work didn't do it for me either. Many people disagree. I have no problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugene_scherba Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 <p>> <i>Serious recognition ? In the arts ? Me ? Ha !</i></p> <p>Not you, Michael, but I know too many people who think they can make art just by buying and using a DSLR.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 You sure talk a lot of smack for somebody who shows so little.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_m_johnson Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Street Photographers get no respect... http://www.photogs.com/bwworld/norespect.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autismkid Posted February 9, 2008 Author Share Posted February 9, 2008 Wow, look at what these real artists did to this thread in 3 hours. Thank those who have given constructive advices. Let's stop right here, not to drift any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
________1 Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 "...but I know too many people who think they can make art just by buying and using a DSLR."<br><br> If this is chief among your worries, Eugene, I suggest to you that you are blessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgpinc Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Lilo Raymond said photography gets harder after the first five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autismkid Posted February 9, 2008 Author Share Posted February 9, 2008 Robert, interesting link, although it does make me have better idea of where to go next. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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