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New Lens or New Body?


marcus_andrewes

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Hi

 

I have a D200, a Nikkor 17-55 2.8 DX and a Nikkor 70-200 VR 2.8.

 

I work as a general photographer doing advertising stuff for local businesses, event coverage, travel

photography and I also run photo tours around New Zealand.

 

In January I am going to Canada and will be spending some time (a week) in the Rockies with a

professional guide taking wildlife photos.

 

Wildlife and sports are personal interests and the wildlife part often plays a part in the tours (we can get

up close to seals and penguins). Neither have so far proved very commercial but I would quite like them to

over time.

 

To shoot effectively in Canada, I need serious reach and have been offered a good price on a new Nikkor

200-400 VR. Although it is a good price it is still very expensive.

 

Whilst I can physically afford it (and of course can put it through my business) I could buy a lot of other

stuff for the money - eg a D300 or even D3 as a second body which would save on lens changes in the

field.

 

I am torn between the options! I don't think I would regret owning the 200-400 but neither do I think it

would be used weekly. Of course it would last at least 10 years and any body they make between now and

then will work with it.

 

Any ideas?!

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Marcus, only you know the answer.

 

Find a pen and paper, write down the advantages of D300/D3 over your D200, cost of body spread over 2 to 5 years (minus your selling price in eBay), advantages of 200-400, cost of lens spread over 10 years (minus your selling price in eBay), what you miss without D300/D3, what you miss without 200-400, ... Then review your list of pro and con for several days or weeks, then make your decision.

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Since wildlife and sports are your personal interest - the thing you enjoy most, I assume - I would buy the 200-400 zoom if you can get that at a good price. There is always the urge these days to upgrade cameras with the technology constantly improving, but good lenses last a long time. For what you are doing a D300 would be nice, but I doubt it offers much, if any, in the way of improvement in picture quality, except in low light situations. Only you can decide if the better low-light qualities make the D300 worth the upgrade.

 

I might also suggest if you buy the lens instead of the camera to rent a D200 or similar body for the trip as a back-up. It might also be nice to have the 70-200 on one body and the 200-400 on another....

 

I was hunting in New Zealand a coupe of years ago...beautiful country and very friendly people....

 

Good luck on your trip......

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Hi All

 

I have a Manfrotto Magfibre which I like - and a matching monopod which is very useful. I

think the tripod will perform. I may have to change the head though - I have a magnesium

ball/socket (the 468 with hydraulic damping etc) which may "collapse" a bit too easily with

such a big lens on it.

 

Looks as though the general view is that the lens is the winner: I would like both but my

wife always seems to disagree with that!! The price I have managed to get on the 200-400

is only NZ$1200 more than the 300 2.8.

 

I will be taking my Leica M7 as well. I keep trying to persuade myself to sell it but

somehow I cannot part with it! It is a pain to have to scan the film later but the results are

so magical that it is usually worth it. My Noctilux f1 lens has got me some great shots in

places where flash would be offensive or unwelcome.

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The answer to the lens vs. body question is almost always the lens. A D300 or D3 can't take any picture you can't already take with the D200. But the 200-400 can certainly take pictures you can't take with the two lenses you already have. If the VR zoom is too expensive I like Michael's recommendation of a 300/2.8 and a teleconverter. VR really own reduces camera shake, not blur from moving subjects, and if you're shooting nature with a lens that long you really should be on a tripod anyhow. But the first thing you should spend money on after the lens is another body. If you're shooting for money you won't get hired a second time if your equipment breaks down on the job and you don't have backup gear immediately at hand.
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Sadly renting is not an option here in NZ: I can find a 300 plus teconverter but the hire

charge for the period I am away amounts to only $3000 less than buying the 200-400.

Although I will be on the wildlife part for a week, I am away from NZ for 32 days so will

have to hire for the whole period.

 

At least if I buy, I get the asset. Part of the problem is the tiny market here in NZ - we get

stuff long after the US and at much higher prices, with none of the rebate schemes and

extended warranties that feature in the US and Canada markets. I would be surprised if

Nikon sell 5 of these lenses a year here. The list price of the 200-400 is some NZ$3000

cheaper in the US than NZ, as an example.

 

Of course if anyone can tell me where I could rent it for a more realistic cost, I will

certainly look at that!

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You're going to Canada to take photos in the wilderness. If you only have one camera, and it malfunctions, you're whole journey will be a financial loss. If I were you, I'd get a D300, and have the D200 along with me as a backup body. There have been many stories of people who go on once-in-a-lifetime trips with no back-up camera, and the thing fails for one reason or another.

 

Consider this: If your camera body fails, how much is the trip worth to you?

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Canada in January can be very dark and very cold depending where you go.

A D3 can help in dark forests but a long lens at 2.8 can do the same. A pro body and a pro lens are more likely to survive wilderness. If you shoot from your car between breakfast and lunch in the motel any camera will do. Talk to your bank and buy whatever you can get in Canada and bring it back home. If the moose did not eat it and the grizzly did not let you drop it and if it is not lost in the snow you can always sell it at home and pay your trip :-)

 

Have lots of fun. The only serious answer can come from yourself.

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Why not try to get a use Lens at a good price and then sell it after your trip. You should be able to get back most of your investment. I know someone who did this and was able to sell the lens for more than he paid for it. After subtracting the cost for shipping (when he bought it) he made a small profit. I would also recommend that you try to get a second camera to take with you as back up.
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I have had a look at hiring. I can get a last generation Nikkor 400 for about NZ$1550 for

the period and a D300 new (maybe - if delivery happens before I depart, 30 units on back

order etc etc!) for another NZ $3000 or so.

 

That is $4500 approx - about $5000 NZ cheaper than buying the 200-400. The current

generation Nikkor 400 2.8 prime is about NZ$14,000!

 

I agree that two bodies is essential - both now and going forward - so if I can hire a

decent lens I may go that route for this trip.

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Hi everyone

 

Thanks for your input - very helpful. Also useful for convincing the wife...!!

 

The lens is en route to me now! I also bought a pre-owned low mileage F5 as a backup. It

was the cheapest way to get a bomb proof body.

 

They cost NZ$5500 in 2004 - I got a known history low use one with 3 months dealer

warranty for NZ$950!

 

It is not a perfect solution but it will work until I sell enough work to pay the NZ$7500 a

D3 will cost me!!

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