oofoto Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 It seems to me there is a huge market for compacts with a lens wider than 35mm? Why do Canon continue to ignore this with the G series especially as this is aimed at advanced photographers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_thompson2 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Canon doesn't do good wide angle lenses. Maybe Canon engineers work so hard and never go on vacations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savas_kyprianides Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 it doesn't fit into Canon's incremental camera development business plan. They will wring what they can out of this form factor and then switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_kim Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Canon does offer WC-DC58B (0.75x) wide angle converter, but it is very tidious to put it on and remove (not to mention it costs $$$ and blocks the flash). May be there is a room for zoom improvement for the future G10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janvanlaethem Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 It is not just Canon that ignores this, most other compact camera manufacturers start with zooms at 35 or 38mm. This is one of the reasons I tend to struggle with compact digital cameras, I always find I can't back up enough to get the view I want. Panasonic has launched various compact cameras with 28-100mm zooms, which is a range that suits my photography better. Then there is the Ricoh GX100 with a 24-72mm zoom. Sigma is due to bring out the DP1 with a 28mm fixed lens, but commercialization has been delayed for some time now and it is still unclear when it will be available in the shops. So if you want to go wider, there are other alternatives available. Unless of course there is something about the Canon G series that you absolutely need that no other camera offers. I'm not that familiar with Canon cameras, but I understand the G6 offered RAW and JPEG shooting, but the G7 did away with the RAW option. Now RAW is back on the G9. Maybe Canon listened to their costumer base and provided them what they wanted. What we need from camera manufacturers in general is more innovation and radical new ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 It would be quite a surprise (to me at least) if Canon were to design a whole new lens for the G-series, especially after just re-designing it a year ago (longer and with IS). I do not agree with Sam that Canon can't design a wide angle compact lens. Claims of corners so soft as to be unusable from the SD800 IS are, IMHO, nothing more than pixel measurbators gone wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 B.t.w. it should be noted that Canon appears to be using the Canon G7 lens on the Canon G9, the Canon A650 IS, and the Canon A720 IS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_thompson2 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 I'm sure if Canon decided to make a wide angle lens they can do a decent job. But people with DSLRs also complain about the lack of good wide angles especially for their EF-S capable cameras. They are bundling the 40d with the 28-135IS which is a 45-216 and that's for a 1600 dollar camera. If they can't figure that out, there is little hope for compact cameras, I can only come to the conclusion that Canon marketers or engineers are too busy working where the only times they take pictures of mountains is through their office windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 <<They are bundling the 40d with the 28-135IS>> I have yet to see any evidence that Canon has created this bundle. It is very likely the 28-135 IS "kit" was created by Amazon.com You may have noticed that Canon just redesigned the 18-55 to include IS. It seems clear to me that this new version is ment to be the Canon kit lens, not the 28-135. Rather strange that you would conclude that Canon has somehow "thrown in the town" by "bundling" the 28-135 with the camera. The 17-40, 17-55, 16-35 Canon lenses remain among the highest quality zooms the company has produced. Your conclusion is erroneous at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 s/town/towel/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=24449144 "I placed amazon pre-order this morning: Canon 40D bundled with the 28-135IS for $1499.99. It still lists this on my order page but suddenly, when I click link from order page it goes to the bundle with 18-55IS lens. Waiting for reply for Amazon..." So, again, Sam, you may want to re-think your assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=24457104 And apparently so should I. Scrolling must be something new to my brain today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_thompson2 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Canon press release. http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/prodtech/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003627926 "The Canon EOS 40D Digital SLR is scheduled for early September delivery and will be sold in a body-only configuration at an estimated selling price of $1,299.00. It will additionally be offered in a kit version with Canon's EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM zoom lens at an estimated selling price of $1,499.00." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I would certainly have preferred a fast 24- or even 28- lens that does not need to go further than 100 (equivalent). But I think for me the raw is significant enough improvement to put this on my shopping list, something I wanted to do with G7 couple of times but always finally decided against due to its lack of raw capture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjordi71 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Altough I would expect 28 or even 24mm on any advanced digital camera such as the G9, Canon is selling external lenses (which will decrease the quality of the picture) to reach those wider angles you are looking for. On the other hand, "8x" or "10x" or "35-350" is probably a more powerful selling tool than "24-180" (unfortunately). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oofoto Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share Posted August 22, 2007 The G9 is a compact. I've owned a G5 and had the tube and adpaters etc. It's the last thing you wan't to be doing with a compact IMO. And BTW I recently purchased the GX100 precisely to fit my requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Sam, Canon UK's Press Release: http://lnk.nu/canon.co.uk/fkt.asp The 40D is being released with the 17-85 IS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Sam, So, we've established the body/lens combo is coming from Canon (thank you for pointing that out) but you've yet to say how you can logically take that to mean Canon can't produce quality wide-angle lenses. (Especially given the previous paragraphs in the very press release you link to). Your conclusions, I still believe, are erroneous. The issue here is not one of engineering but one of profit. Back to the original question (sorta): Canon using the same lens on 3 digital point and shoots means lower costs for them which means greater profits. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_thompson2 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Uh, I never said that they can't make wide angle lenses. It's just that their marketing tends to make lenses more suited for longer lenses. It was a joke. Picture bunch of engineers working really hard at Canon not having enough time to fully test their cameras. So they decide to test the camera outside their window ignoring the wide settings. Conclusion is the same either way. Canon can't or won't make wide angle lenses profitable for their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_502260 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 I still use a G3 and I have both the wide and tele Canon adapters. They are surprisngly good even if they are expensive. I considered a G6 just so I could use the same adapters but that model is so far out of date it probably isn't even available. For slow work the G3 still does a nice job up to 8X10 but the shutter lag is terrible. I still have and use many film cameras but I need a more up to date digital camera. I will balance the G9 with the wide adapter against the least expensive Pentax DSLR with IS. I have a bunch of older K mount lenses I could play with on a Pentax but my widest one is a 24. This works out to a 36 on the DSLR so I would be right back where I am on the short end with the G9. If I get the kit lens with the Pentax I get approximately a 28mm equivalent in the 35mm format. At some point even a very good viewfinder type digital camera bumps up agaunst the price of an entry level DSLR. Maybe the G9 will be a nice second digital camera for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcuknz Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 If you do get down as far as this :-) The demand is becuase photographers cannot be bothered to take two or more shots and stitch them in editing. I have no wider than 35mm equivalent and have no need for it becuase firstly I don't like the distortion of the short focal length and when I want a wide panoramic view I stitch. There is a lot of nonsense written about the problems of stitching but really it is quite simple and commonsense observation of what looks 'right' and what doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savas_kyprianides Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Since I own many Canon accessories, it makes sense to continue with a Canon point and shoot. I would love a wider field of view, but consider it as one more compromise in a long list of compromises the photographer chooses to accept when deciding to carry a compact camera in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 <<Uh, I never said that they can't make wide angle lenses. >> <<Canon doesn't do good wide angle lenses.>> Come on Sam... <<Conclusion is the same either way. >> That's an absurd conclusion and one not based in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam_thompson2 Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Yeah, Canon doesn't do good wide angle lenses and can't make wide angle lenses are two different arguments. Panasonic does wide angle lenses, puts them in most of their compact camera lines whereas Canon doesn't. Maybe it's a language barrier problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phule Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 It appears so. You clearly misread what I wrote here: <<but you've yet to say how you can logically take that to mean Canon can't produce quality wide-angle lenses.>> Regardless, you've provided zero evidence to back up your claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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