mark_in_st._louis Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 <p>I've been looking at the <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? O=WishList.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=126521&is=REG"> Elinchrom White Maxisoft Reflector, 27"</a>. I can make some assumptions, but would like some advice on when these would be used? What are the differences between using a reflector of this type with a <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? O=WishList.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=126523&is=REG"> diffuser</a>, and using a softbox? When using a <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/126524- REG/Elinchrom_26304_Deflector_Set_for_27_.html"> gold deflector</a> to send light to the white reflector, would the output color be a very subtle change? What would be the result of using the <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home? O=WishList.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=126520&is=REG"> 17" variety of the same reflector</a>, how would it compare to the 27".</p> <p>Thank you for your time in helping me understand the usage of these modifiers.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted July 9, 2007 Share Posted July 9, 2007 It's Elinchrom's version of a beauty dish, the light is a bit more directional and it's a bit more versatile than a standard softbox. I would imagine thaty the gold effect is noticable but not extreme. A smaller reflector makes for a smaller light source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sing_lo Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I have the 27" white. It produces soft light good for fashion portraits. When you use it with diffuser sock, it is not much different from a small softbox, except the way a circular light modifier wraps around the subject is different from the rectangular softbox. Beauty dish is a bit more punchy than softbox. Gold deflector adds a warm tone to the skin. It is useful for subject with very pale skin and you like to add a bit of tan. The 17" is smaller and hence more punchy with the specular highlights. The 17" silver works great with model with good skin or well applied shimmer make-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_murphy1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I posted a comparison of something related to this <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg? msg_id=00KtKf">here</a>.<br /> Responding more directly to your question, in deciding when to use a Beauty Dish I always use the Elinchrom Beauty Light (a large, indirect softbox) as my benchmark. Since the Beauty Light can make just about anything look good, I need a good reason to pull out a beauty dish. <br/> The first, and most common reason I use a Beauty Dish is because of simple laziness. If someone wants me to shoot their portrait on location, and I don't feel like lugging the Beauty Light and its heavy stand, then I'll go with a Beauty Dish.<br/> In the studio, I use a Beauty Dish in three circumstances: 1) for "glamour lighting", that is direct, on axis lighting of a face that is looking directly into the camera and smiling; 2) for subjects that "look fat" in traditional, portraits (face turned slightly, no smile)-in this case the Beauty Dish provides darker shadows on the side of the face while minimizing skin imperfections on the forehead and cheeks; 3) lastly, I use Beauty Dishes when photographing anyone who wants to look intelligent and strong (as opposed to soft and lovely).<br /> I'm not particularly impressed with the Softlite as a Beauty Dish; I recommend the Mola products instead. I know they're more expensive, but a Beauty Dish isn't worth anything if it isn't better than an umbrella. You can find a comparison <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00L40O">here</a> which shows that the Softlite is not a whole lot better than an umbrella.<br/> Additionally, I never use diffusion on a Beauty Dish, as it doesn't make sense (I can use a softbox instead). I do, however, test my Beauty Dishes carefully for how they behave when pointed at the subject indirectly (i.e., feathered). Hope this helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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