2069 Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 hi, i have a thinkpad laptop, the display is lcd. i noticed that with different power-managing options (like 'optimum battery', 'max performance', 'ac power' etc...), the display brightness changes. i have been editing my images with 'save batter' preset...which makes the display go dull...as a result the images look darker than they should... what should be the optimum brightness level of a lcd display?? which makes me think...is photoshops brightness tool interchangeable with my lcd display's brightness levels...i mean if the image is dark, i can probably up the display level to make it brighter instead of doing it in ps...and vice-versa... therefore, what's the differnce...i don't quite get it... will appreciate if someone could explain... thanks and regards, anurag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaldog Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Display luminance is based on the ambient light (and light color or color temperature) you'll view your prints. You need an instrument to calibrate the display and build a profile at such time, you'd attempt to calibrate to the viewing environment. http://www.ppmag.com/reviews/200604_rodneycm.pdf http://www.ppmag.com/reviews/200605_rodneycm.pdf Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2069 Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 Thanks Andrew for the info. I will probably never print most of my images...and i will be carrying around my laptop to different lighting situations while travelling...so basically its about the optimum appreciation of my images on my computer display. my problem is that if i increase the display brightness, the lost shadow detail can be seen and images are no longer dark...something that i would be doing in photoshop.... It seems funny to keep changing the display brightness all the time...:) regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAPster Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 Dear AA... I also have an IBM Thinkpad laptop, as well as a Gateway AMD Turion 64x2 laptop. The issue of LCD brightness is not as cut and dried as one may think. For example, as you point out, your laptop has diff- erent power modes, depending on how to use the laptop. For example, while working in-transit, the laptop provides a 'battery saver' mode that aims to reduce the system power-drain somewhat, and thereby give you somewhat more time to run off battery. Likewise, there is a 'full performance' mode, that provides all the power available to the system, so each component can run at 100% performance, but in this setting, the system sucks more current, so battery time is less. Another factor is that you have LCD Brightness controls right there on the keyboard, and you can manually adjust the LCD brightness up or down, as you like it. A third factor is the viewing angle that is formed, when you position the LCD screen in front of you. If the LCD screen is a true 90 degrees vertical, it may seem actually not as bright as if it were positioned at, say 110 degrees. That extra amount of tilt actually lines the screen up better with your plane of vision, and so the screen appears brighter. (But, I think, in actuality, the LCD screen is emitting the same amount of luminosity in either position.) A fourth factor is the level of light in your ambient environ- ment, with a dimly lit room making your screen appear brighter than it would look in a brightly lit room, or outside on a bright day. I also think that the human interpretation of colors involves something of a subjective judgement. A full color image that looks dazzling to one interpretter, with less experience, might look rather normal to someone having lots more experience. I think even the kind of eye-glasses one wears affects color values in some ways. Not the actual color being reflected by the subject, but the seeing of that color, as it enters the eye. For example, polarized lenses alter the image colors, by removing harsh glare from smooth surfaces. And if you were to add a glare-blocking filter to your laptop or external CRT, that too would alter the colors. To further complicate the color viewing situation, the same hi-res color image (still or video) is going to look just a little different on different makes and models of laptops, CRT's,and TV screens (CRT and LCD). For example, if you go browsing in your favorite electronics store, stop and compare the images that you see on different TV's, different laptops, and different CRTs. Even when they display the same video or display image, what actually comes out varies slightly from unit to unit. Also, keep in mind that even when making adjustments in all these different areas, none of these have anything to do with the digital color information that is actually contained in a hi-res color bitmap file. That information is digital, 0's & 1's, and is a product of the color device, sensors, and firmware that produced it. If you are using 32bit color display, then obviously the laptop has a much much broader color pallete to select from than if you are using something rudimentary, like 256 colors. Finally, lets not forget that our eyes are not fixed static photo-equipment that never changes. Our eyes are slowly changing as we get older, and we simply dont see things the same way we used to when we were much younger. I think this is especially true as we pass into our 40's. I think also that the LCD screen itself poses extra challenges to the human eye. I have a brother who is an accomplished optometrist, and he told me that the eye has to work significantly harder to focus accurately on a computer image because the image itself is dynamic, constantly moving and shifting. So the eye has to approximate a focus, rather than acheiving a true sharp focus, as it would on a ordinary object. So you see a number of factors come into play, before we even start talking about modifying the color information that is saved into the digital color file, using graphics software. Based on these factors, I would offer some suggestions for you to consider, and, if you think good, apply them to your work situation. 1. Decide if you will be using the laptop, and doing work on the color image files, only at home and/or at the office. If you dont plan to edit color files while intransit (on a plane, train, or bus)... then you can safely set the Power Management setting to "Maximum Performance", since you will be plugged into the wall AC power, and not from battery. This setting will provide the most power to your LCD screen. You can then adopt this setting as your 1st Personal Preference. 2. You've probably done this already, but set the laptop up, in the room or office where you will be doing most of your color work. Then spend a sufficient amount of time adjusting things, until you get the screen image display to look the way that you want it, using your very best judgment... You can check and adjust these factors.... A. The ambient room lighting. B. The LCD screen Tilt Angle. C. The distance, from screen to Eye. D. The screen brightness, using laptop keyboard control keys. E. The display color systems, RGB vs CYMK. F. Various display color standards, like Pantone. G. The display resolution (horizontal & vertical) H. The display color depth (256 colors, 16K, 24K, 32K) I. The 'theme' that Windows uses to display window's colors. You can check and tweak all these factors, until you arrive at the best optimized combination that seems to deliver the truest and most accurate colors to your set of eyes. 3. After adjusting these 'ergonomic' factors, pull up a sample batch of your color images, and carefully go through a whole batch of the color files. The aim here is to simply see how well the screen and display system is going to render a wide range of real-world pictures. You want to carefully review a whole range of color images. Then, if you think the display image needs to be tweaked again, you can do it after you have seen a pattern emerge from all the images. For example if, after examining a whole batch of pictures, the screen display is appearing a bit dark on all images, then you can tweak the Brightness and make it a bit brighter. 4. Another idea is to actually measure the luminosity that is being emitted by your screen while rendering a whole set of your files. To do this, you'll need a Digital Light Meter, preferably one that works well & is sensitive at low light levels. Set up your laptop in your preferred work space, and go through the adjustment process till you achieve the optimum looking images (to your eyes). Now turn off all ambient lights, so that your LCD screen is the only light source in the room. Then position the Digital Light Meter a fixed and standard distance from the screen... say 12 inches. Then go through a large batch of your sample files, and pull the digital light reading given off by each image. Of course, some images will be brighter than average, and will emit more light. Other images will be darker, and will emait less light. But by going through, lets say 100 of your sample files, you will be able to quantify the actual brightness of individual pictures, and then you can average the list, and get the Average brightness. This number can then be used as a screen brightness Basepoint, a fixed known value, good for that group of settings, and that batch of pictures. If you use the digital light meter, its more objective, since its providing you the reading it calculates, and removes human subjectivity. 5. After you have gone through this whole process, and feel you are getting good progress,and great images, you may want to selct a very small number of pictures to use as your 'working color standard files.' In other words, pick about 6 of the color images that seem to best represent the type of images you work with, and measure their brightness, using the method suggested above. This will give the object luminosity of each image, on your system, and with the settings that seem to give you the best image. 6. Finally, after you have achieved the best possible performance from your laptop system, one that gives the best possible rendering across a wide range of images, then go back and write down the settings that you selected, to achieve that state. This document is you backup list, and its better to write it down than rely on memory. Save the document in a file, and keep that stored away. Later, heaven forbid, if something happens to your laptop, and you have to do s system rebuild, you will have that list handy, and can then set all the settings back to the way you like them. Lastly, unless you are trying to achieve a special effect using the picture editing software, once you get your screen adjusted, DON'T monkey with the settings. It can get very frustrating, almost a trap, trying to adjust your display, on a picture by picture basis. To me, it seems better to use a broad range of your typical pictures, to achieve the optimum display, and then work with that setup, the vast majority of the time. To me, that approach would give you the most consistent image quality, which includes brightness. Anyway, I hope these suggestions will give you some help, and perhaps give you some things to try. AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2069 Posted November 27, 2007 Author Share Posted November 27, 2007 thanks alan. thanks andrew. it all seems so complicated, with so many variables in play. will have to dig more and try understanding what's going on. regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iqbal Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Professor Peed: Your lecture is extremely valuable for many of us who encounter this challenge every day. Is it possible for you to SUMMARIZE them in a few critical steps, using only a few sentences for each step so that we can follow and practice. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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