bruce Posted July 18, 1999 Share Posted July 18, 1999 I have now had 3 very rich experiences photographing the American Black Bear, but I am forever fighting with exposing for the bear and its habitat correctly. Imagine that you can photograph adults, cubs, black phase and cinnimen phased bears clinging to trees in north woods wilderness... sounds ideal.... right? Now envision that these bears spend the majority of time on 'paper birch' trees. Paper birch trees are white as paper (thus the name) while black bears are (well) black. When the bears climb maples and oaks, the exposure is simple. My general technique is to spot a highlight on the bear (preferrably the face) and subtract 2/3 to 1 stop of light. However, when the bears are on or around the birch trees, the trees lose all detail and often compete with the perfectly exposed bear for the viewers attention. Pertanent info: I'm shooting @ 420mm f4.0 w/ Velvia or 100VS during the late afternoon into the evening. Do you (anyone) have suggestions for exposing this broad range scene? Please do not suggest print film, as this is not an option for my publishing group. regards bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_kolwicz Posted July 18, 1999 Share Posted July 18, 1999 I don't expect this to be much help, but at least one well known nature photographer makes large format dupes of his original slides which he manipulates like a print (dodging and burning) to extend the contrast range of the original. A similar operation could be done digitally and output to film from high resolution scanners. A photographer friend has been doing this with 35mm B&Ws to get easy to print 4x5 negatives output from digitally corrected hi-res scans. And, since your publishing group probably uses digitized images in it's process, maybe you could skip the film output and not be adding much to the workflow. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_smith Posted July 18, 1999 Share Posted July 18, 1999 Dump the high contrast films and shoot Astia or Sensia II. They are lower contrast and that might help a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_hallett1 Posted July 18, 1999 Share Posted July 18, 1999 If possible, look at the scene carefully and if any part of the scene has some middle tone in it, use your spot meter on that area. Otherwise this is a difficult situation. Maybe try metering the birch tree and add + exposure and bracket. I also agree with Dan about the use of low contrast film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwphoto Posted July 18, 1999 Share Posted July 18, 1999 My apologies; you probably do this. Shoot in low contrast light, overcast if possible. Hopefully this still allows sufficient shutter speed and depth-of-field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredrick_sears Posted July 18, 1999 Share Posted July 18, 1999 Several things might help reduce the contrast:fill flash, lost the tele convernter, lowere contrast film and finally exposure. Neither Velvia or VS benefit from the contrast range of the scene you describe Sensia Astia or another lower contrast film will better handle the inherent contrast in the scene. Addtionally you might run some test to see just exactly very your "whites" need to be before they fall apart. A roll of film and notes would go a long way to deciding exactly how much contrast your film will handle. From the 420 mm @ f 4 I'm assuming you're using a 1.4 teleconvertor this is going to ever so slightly add more contrast to a contrasty scene. lastly fill flash in the -1 to -2 department might help you tag your highlights while keeping detail in the fur and eyes of the bear and combining fill flash with a lower contrast film will go a long distance to reducing the problems you seem to b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_dunn Posted July 18, 1999 Share Posted July 18, 1999 I sometimes use a tiffen ultra contrast filter. This would allow you to expose for the tress and should still get detail in the dark areas. If you are using big glass it may be a problem getting one to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_greenberg Posted July 19, 1999 Share Posted July 19, 1999 Ken, what is a Tiffen Ultra Contrast filter? Never heard of it. While I am at it, could I ask you what your filter of choice is to warm up your color photograph appropriately under an overcast sky? Do you know if it is available in 82 mm since many filters aren't? Thanks. Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted July 19, 1999 Author Share Posted July 19, 1999 Thank you to all who responded. While it is among my least favorite films, I will carry some Sensia when I backpack in to my bear heaven this August. I also appreciate the fill-flash advice, though I do hesitate to use flash on wild animals (especially carnivores), when I am unprotected. regards bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don_baccus Posted July 19, 1999 Share Posted July 19, 1999 Teleconverters add contrast? I've never heard that one and don't believe that. E100SW handles contrasty situations very nicely in my experience, you might give that a try. 100 VS is very contrasty film IMO, though I love the color. And I'm sure you know that Velvia's also very contrasty. I've shot harbor seals w/100SW on a bright white beach in afternoon sun, with a cobalt-blue harbor background, and was very impressed with its ability to hold detail in the sand while rendering the water a deep blue, rather than driving it to near-black. I've shot it in other contrasty situations and have been pleased. As far as fill flash goes, you might just get hotspots on the birch that will negate the usefulness of adding light to the bears. You'll just have to experiment, I guess. Have you tried shooting them on cloudy days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted July 19, 1999 Author Share Posted July 19, 1999 Don, Thanks for mentioning 100SW... I was wondering if the warmth of the SW film would add some (yellow tone) to the birch bark. In all honesty, I do not like the neutral color of sensia (or Astia), furthermore, sensia seems to vary too much from batch to batch. I have shot images of the bears under differing light conditions, & have determined that late noon/early evening provides the best light for obtaining facial and fur detail. Since all of the photography occurs under a forest canopy, overcast light, while providing a better tone for the trees, reduces shutter speeds to 1/30 or below (too slow to stop the movement of the bears). You must encounter similar situations when photographing forest raptors like Red Shouldered & Coopers Hawks. regards bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_kronmal2 Posted July 19, 1999 Share Posted July 19, 1999 Bears are omnivores. But your point about spooking them is well taken. It is best to not do anything to effect the subjects behavior in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted July 19, 1999 Author Share Posted July 19, 1999 Michael, Black bears belong to the order Carnivora, Family Ursidae, Genus Ursus and species americanus and while 70-80% of their diet consists of fruits, berries, nuts and insects, they do dine on rabbit, fish, deer, & squirrel and are an animal that needs to be respected. An examination of a typical black bear skull will reveal a pair of quite large canines and a dense lower jaw. If you don't object, when I am within 20 feet of a sow and her cubs, I think I will choose to leave my flash in the camera pack. Regards, (& alive to leave this message), bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_danks Posted July 20, 1999 Share Posted July 20, 1999 Don Baccus wrote: "E100SW handles contrasty situations very nicely in my experience . . .[snip]" This is contrary to my experience. I used it in bright sun on birds sitting in water and did not care for the result. Unfortunately I did not try Sensia/Astia under the same light so can not make any statements about which might be preferable. One of the better shots is posted at http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/danksta/stretch.htmI think a less contrasty film might have served me better but am open to suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos_co Posted July 20, 1999 Share Posted July 20, 1999 Try pulling Astia one stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_hallett1 Posted July 21, 1999 Share Posted July 21, 1999 Have any of you tried Kodak EBX yet? For 11 years I have run the gamut of slide films( Velvia, Sensia, Astia, Provia,100SW and this , IMHO, is the best yet. Warm but not contrasty ,reasonably priced and the colors will make you go WOW. Try some you,ll agree I,m sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley_mcmanus Posted July 21, 1999 Share Posted July 21, 1999 I have bounced around all over the place trying to control contast. Don has found E100SW to work well for him. Others disagree. I suggest this is because Don knows the film well and knows how to expose it to get the look he wantss. Don can correct me if I am wrong. Switching films frequently is an invitation to disaster IMHO. I have settled on Sensia II 100 as my film for subjects shot in constrasty light, Elite Chrome 100 for subjects shot under subdued light. Other than that I occasionally use E200 when I need the speed. I have not yet decided on using either E100VS or Velvia, partly because I don't seem to get the big thrill that others do when shooting these super saturated films. Fill flash works to bring out some detail in the fur, but I am a bit shakey about being near enough to a wild bear to be able to use fill flash. I must admit that I have talked to folks who have shot bears using fill flash and they claim that the bears don't give a hoot about the flash. Pulling a film is an old trick to reducing contrast. I am glad that somebody reminded us of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewdawsongallery Posted July 21, 1999 Share Posted July 21, 1999 Bruce J. wrote: In all honesty, I do not like the neutral color of sensia (or Astia), furthermore, sensia seems to vary too much from batch to batch. Hopefully I'm not stating the obvious, but using Provia would be the answer to this inconsistency. I've shot I dunno how many rolls and have never had a bad one. Of course, if you just don't like the film anyway... My own $.02 on 100SW; seems a bit more contrasty and less warm than Provia, so I was not tempted to make a big switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_borg Posted July 25, 1999 Share Posted July 25, 1999 In answer to Jeff Hallett's question on EBX film: I took a free roll from my UK Amateur Photographer magazine, to Florida, in April. Frankly, it was ghastly; all the blacks seemed very blue and the blues were well O.T.T. Maybe it was that I processed the film with my Sensia rolls in standard E6 chemistry - but for what it is worth, that was my findings. 100 VS on the other hand looks good, but here in the UK, we can buy Sensia II 100 for around #2.40 ($1.53) a roll (NPP) and it seems perfectly good to Britains nature photographers. Hardly anybody uses Provia - as we can't see the difference - so why spend more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_hallett1 Posted July 25, 1999 Share Posted July 25, 1999 Boy if it were not for the opinionated nature of photographers, this forum might not exist. I think Sensia sucks but then I like warmth in my images and so do my editors and that is what counts in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_sapper Posted August 9, 1999 Share Posted August 9, 1999 Les wrote: "100 VS on the other hand looks good, but here in the UK, we can buy Sensia II 100 for around #2.40 ($1.53) a roll (NPP) and it seems perfectly good to Britains nature photographers. " 2.40 pounds in Britain is equivalent to about $3.99 a roll in U.S. I think he got the exchange rate backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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