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any better build M body over M3?


Poravich

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Hi all,

 

Using and owning Leica M6 years ago, now I just recently switch to M3 for my

personal reason over its build & smooth quality (s/n 1,xxx,xxx). I usually

shoot bw on 50mm/2.0 Leitz lens and seldom use the light meter. So, the meter

in M6 is nothing for me.

 

I've just been wondering whether Leitz/Leica has ever made a better build

qulaity body on its other M model, e.g. the 1st or last MP, of which I never

ever has a chance to use it.

 

Thank for all kind response,

 

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This is a question to which you will rarely get a truly objective response, so I'll try.

 

The M3 with a serial number above 1.1M is the best. No question about it.

 

Oh, that is apart from my M4.<p><center><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/

paul_hart/475334616/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/

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center><p>Oh, and perhaps my M2.<p><center><a href="http://www.flickr.com/

photos/paul_hart/475342203/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://

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alt="Leica M2" /></a></center>

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Beautiful collection. It would be a shame to scuff one of these by actually taking pictures though.

 

Early M`s were all built well, but age is taking it toll with rubber parts going bad and balsam cement deteriorating. All can be fixed if you are willing to spend the money.

 

M4-2 and later are built as well, just differently. High accuracy NC machining has allowed fewer adjustment points because the parts are supposed to fit together better. Steel gears have replaced softer brass gears with some increase in roughness on advancing, a problem that was solved with the MP. They spent more money finishing the steel ones to get the feel of the old brass. You now have the best of both worlds. Balsam cement has been with a light cured something and it is a better procuct. The cameras are still engineered to last as long and work as many cycles.

 

Gone is the vulcanite (rubber) covering, replaced with some stick on stuff. It is not bad. Vulcanite is vulcanised (read baked) on a bare body and can not be repaired in kind. Scrape off and use sticky variety.

 

So you decide.

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Hi, Poravich. The firts version of the Leica M4 (in the lessmeter range cameras) have the same buid quality level of the Leica M3, while in the metered range cameras, the Leica M5 is smooth as silk, and have the same build quality level as the Leica M3.

Actually, the camera that is more near to the build quality level of the Leica M3, is the MP.

The best rangefinders are those of the M3 and MP, for the flare resistance. See the Erwin Puts website for more infos about the Leica M3, MP and the other models.

I own the Leica M2, M4, M5 and MP.

Ciao.

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I have a late M3 and a first year M4. The M4 is my old friend, always there when I need it, a little rough around the edges so I'm not afraid to bang it around a bit. The M3 is a jewel. After all these years it is still in excellent condition and I prefer the film loading, framelines and rangefinder patch over the M4. I'm sure the new MP is an awesome body, but Leica will never duplicate the viewfinder of the M3.
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John ---

 

You're probably right about the M3 viewfinder. Still, I've got a late M3 DS with a very crisp viewfinder, and I've also got a mint MP with 0.85 finder. The MP finder may not be the equal of the M3 finder, but it's close, very close.

 

(Then again, I prefer the M3 DS to the M3 SS, so what would I know?)

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"...any better build M body over M3?"

 

The right answer is, NO.

 

Don "DAG" Goldberg said to me recently, "they made it so well the first time out there was nothing to improve upon." There have indeed been some improvements such as film loading, but since the M3, Leica has been looking for ways to build the M camera for less - and that means making it with cheaper design and materials.

When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...

– Yogi Berra

 

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I think you're splitting hairs. All the M's I've ever used, including my current 1954 M3, are

more than solid enough for rigorous use (to take photos, that is). Perhaps running a car over

them would reveal some differences, but I don't usually try to take pictures of tire treads, at

least not from underneath.

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In some ways, the later dual-stroke M3s are nicer than the 1M+ models in that they have additional details which were subsequently removed, like the bright, spun-finish shutter speed dial and the extra ball bearing catches on the rear door. But that said, I use the M8 much more often :-)
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I have both MP and M3 and the M3 is better on a few counts. Viewfinders are not the

same and the .85 MP will flare occasionally but the M3 never flares. MP went back to Leica

to fix sticky shutter button and is much better but the M3 is still best and seems to

respond to my instincts with it's lovely little snicky shutter. The rewind stalk on MP is

wobbly and the M3 42 year old stalk is rock solid. I don't find the loading of the M3 to be

a problem, a little slower but never fails where a little carelessness with the MP loading

and I end up with a non advancing film. I don't think the MP can match the M3 build from

my experience. These are the only models that I am familiar with.

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