jennisphoto Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Hi All - I have a past wedding where I shot some of the outdoor photos at too high of an ISO and I am now dealing with some very grainy photos. I tried a noise reducer and had delivered them to the bride, but recieved an email from her today that the photos are not printing clearly even at a 4x6 size. I am not sure what I can try next to fix the photos so the bride is at least happy with them. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. I'll email you the full resolution file if you post your email. Thank you in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbyrne Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 can you post a sample? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennisphoto Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Sure....here is an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_barrett2 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 It looks like a noise reducer and bumping up the contrast in these would make them sellable. Maybe there is some other problem that she is having. You can email me the high resolution and I will fix it and try to print an 8X10 and see what happens. info@createmyalbum.com Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanie1 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 On my monitor the skintones are rather cool too, that might be a problem too. I'll try to do a quick fix on it to show you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_barrett2 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I just noticed the image you posted was full resolution. I bumped up the contrast with levels, ran Noiseware Professional on default setting then faded it to 50%, then used a little unsharp mask. Printed it at 8X10 and it looks great. Virtually no noticable pixels and not blurry or extremely soft. You can create an action to do this and have it done in a snap. This fix took 15 seconds on my machine. Hope this helps, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen dohring Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Nikon or Canon and what iso. You should not have given her the photos unless at least passable you might have been able to convert to B&W try some motion effect to maybe help. I like Neat Image - if that does not work and it is really bad (usually in the blacks) you can duplicate the layer in PS, Gaussian Blur the top layer then erase the eyes and any non noisy areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanie1 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Here you go, skintones fixed (I think), noise done as best I could. Hope this helps!<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_barrett2 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Stefanie, the link doesn't work. At least not for me. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennisphoto Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 So the photo is definitely sellable? Im downloading Noiseware now....I used Noise ninja the last time around. I'm hoping I can get this to work as well as you did! THANK YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanie1 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 OK, I"ll try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_mounier Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Fix the skin tones and contrast, and it should be good to go... Peter<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanie1 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Jenni, I don't think it's so much the software you use, but how you use it. I used NN on my edit. The only complaint I have about the image itself is that the third bridesmain from the left isn't looking at the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennisphoto Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 This actually is not one of the images that made the cut, I just picked an image to upload quickly because they all have the same problem. I have a couple more of this pose where everyone is looking at the camera. Peter...did you remove noise?? The photo does not look pixelated at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_barrett2 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 My monitor (Lacie 319)is calibrated to neutral density via blue eye pro. The image peter uploaded is WAY TO WARM! It looks as if it was adjusted to look good on a laptop screen. Laptop screens are almost always very cool. I agree your original image could use a bit of warmth but not that much. Just thought you should know. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennisphoto Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 I agree about the warmth. I am now using Noiseware professional and then working with the photos color and the result is fantastic! Thank you soo much for everyones help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_mounier Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 That's interesting what you say about the image I uploaded being too warm. I can't deny it, since I can't see what you're looking at. I have an older 17" Apple Studio Display, and I've only used the Apple Display Calibrator Assistant to calibrate my monitor. That being said, along with my older OS9 profiling hardware (with spectrophotometer), my prints match my monitor as close as an LCD monitor can match. Having also checked my images on several other computers/monitors I'm very satisfied that my set up does not need to be calibrated further... for the time being. So my question is, how warm is it? A hard question to answer, I know. The original file was too cool, having been shot in the shade without color correction or white balance adjustment. Admittedly, I adjusted the colors in the faces to look as if they were shot in daylight, since that's what people are expecting to see instinctively, as far as good skin tones are concerned. So my manipulation may have been a bit too warm, but "WAY TOO WARM"? That sounds undenyable and emphatic. If I didn't have over 30 years experience in color printing for a professional lab, and my own business (giclee) I would take you at your word. But since I do think that I'm pretty good at color balancing, I have to wonder why it would look WAY TOO WARM! Could it be a matter of opinion, or is it so warm that it looks unnatural and distracting? Just wondering. By the way, I don't think the problem with the image is the noise, as much as it is the color balance, and contrast due to the poor lighting conditions. I didn't try to eliminate the noise. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanie1 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Peter, your image looks good to me. My monitor may not be calibrated and an LCD but I know the results I get from my lab match my screen pretty bang on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10tenphoto Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Here is a version doen in Photoshop CS2. You can create an action for it and run it on all the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanie1 Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Steve, not trying to step on any toes but yours still has all the color noise in it, which I find much more offensive than the grainey-ness in some of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdp Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Jenni, is the bride saying it's not clear when printing, or she's not happy with her results? If it's her printing it and not liking the output, unfortunately, she may have miscalibrated equipment to what you processed. It the pic is coming out blurry on her end, it sounds like soemthing is not right as this is fine at 4x6 Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiva Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 The file from the top of the thread appears to be saved as a medium level jpg file. Maybe you saved it that way to post it here ... dunno. Shoot in the highest level jpg your camera allows. Just a thought in passing. The "noise" doesn't really bother me as much as the exposure ... here's some minor corrections and some cleanup to add to the pile above.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candice Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 <div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnysks Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 hmmm since on one point it out, I guess I'll point it out. For a full length photo like this, I think it would look better if this wasn't shot at eye level? You need to keep the plane of focus parallel with the plane of the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_thielen Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 OT - here is a prime example of why not to give away the digital images to the bride. You are now trying to fix a problem that you have no control over. Is she printing these off on her own printer - if so what is it, and is it calibrated, then you have to deal with what paper is she priting it on, and is she using factory ink, or cheap refills. These issues all have the potential to take an excellent shot and turn it into garbage. And guess who gets the blame for the bad prints. I'll give you a hint - it ain't the bride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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