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What's your success rate?


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Hi guys..doing a poll here..

 

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Normally, I get about 3-5 keepers out of 36.~10%

 

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Its getting harder to find keepers as my requirement is raised.

 

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Im happy just to have ONE very nice shot a week.

 

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what about u guys? ;)

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When I started out:

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<b>every shot... of my family, pets, rocks, the sky...</b>

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About 2 year ago:

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<b>5 shots in a 36 exp roll</b>

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Now:

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<b>1-2 shots in a 36 exp roll</b>

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Projected 1 year from now after the essay is completed and exhibited:

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<b>30 shots in 400-500 36 exp rolls.</b>

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<b><i>Evolution</i></b>

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You really have to define "success rate" to have meaningful answers.

Recently, I shot six rolls of film of temples in notrhtern Thailand.

Each roll had a lot of "good shots:" they were technically good but

they looked like picture postcards. In fact, only 1 shot per roll, or 1

shot every other roll that interested me. I often end up printing this

type of ratio. However, when I look at old film, I sometimes find a few

years later shots that I first had not liked. Photopgraphy is an art of

selection.

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I approve of about 1 shot in 10-36 frame rolls (this is a miesly

0.27% success rate). My friends and family think about half of the

shots I take are keepers, and many of them want prints from that

half. So the number depends on who you ask.

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One in ten is really pretty good. About one foot of film shows up in

a movie for every ten feet shot (just an average--I read it in the

American Cinematographer). That's about what I get, too. I'm hoping

to improve it by looking more and being more selective before I press

the button.

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As an aside to this question, I often find myself not even tripping

the shutter these days where I would have in the past, knowing the

composition/subject matter/lighting isn't going to give me what I am

after. This often leads me to move around for another angle or

different framing, or just to move on without taking the shot. Even

with my new sense of in camera editing, I still am happy if I even

get several images on a roll that are "keepers".

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Depends who I'm shooting for. Family stuff - shots of the kid,

relatives and the such - probably half go into a family album of

snaps. For comission portraits I'm happy with a couple frames a

roll, though the my clients usually think they're all great (c'mon

I've been doing this 25 years, they should). For gallery exhibtion

(the stuff that really counts to me) maybe one every shoot (wherein I

shoot usually 3 or 4 rolls). I read once that (I think it was Ralph

Gibson) if you get one or two shots you think are really, really good

a year your doing well.

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Mitch Allen (see above) has an unusual approach. Apparently, he culls just after receiving his film back from processing - - - then,

he keeps some of his culls for review much later. We shoot slides almost exclusively, and save the culls in separate files. Years

later, we'll look at the culls and then discard what we still don't like. Except for immediate family "snapshots," we usually keep 3-5

from a 36 exposure roll. On the re-cull, we may keep 3-5 out of several hundred. Family "snapshots?" Don't ask! < grin >

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For me, the "keeper rate" is really a function of the nature of the

shoot, and what the end objective is. It is not, however, something I

"stress" over - unless it starts to approach zero. ;-)

 

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Sometimes you shoot freely, recognizing that you may, or may not,

catch the expressions you want in the subject - this is often the case

with a "free-flow" sort of shoot with a model, and a low "keeper rate"

is expected. In other cases, much more consideration goes into each

shot, so the "keeper rate" becomes very high.

 

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In the free-flow mode, I might end up with about 1/3 of the shots

being technically keepers, and then edit those down to one or two

shots for the whole shoot. In the "more studied" mode, particularly if

shooting the 4x5, most of the editing process actually takes place

before the film is exposed, so the preliminary keeper rate goes way up

- often close to 100%. Even then, however, the real keeper rate

depends on the objective of the shoot. If that is a single shot, then

that is what the preliminary keepers get edited to. If the objective

is a series, then more of the preliminary, technically-correct shots

get used.

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My keepers are based on what I feel will sell. My primary tool is 6x7

but I use an SL and SL2 as well. My keep rate for 35mm is probably 5%

while my rate for 6x7 is between 30 and 40%. I guess I'm a lot more

careful what I'm shooting in MF. I too have changed in what I felt was

acceptable. I have unmounted many shots that I've done in the past as

I find them so so today.

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Another variation of this question might be how many shots of one

subject do you take, and out of those how many are any good? I am not

one of those who shoots a whole roll of just one subject - perhaps

five to six frames of each subject, sometimes only one or two. Out of

36 exposures, I am disappointed if I do not have four to five I am

quite pleased with. Really pleased, competition stuff, far far fewer.

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I have to bring up the old Ansel Adams story, paraphrased as "If you

work hard all year, and end up with twelve good pictures, you've had

a good year". It's true. Measuring "success" by the roll will lead

nowhere. Think by subject, or project, or series, over a longer

period. Don't be afraid to use film, edit fearlessly, don't count the

throwaway, only show the good ones.

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I shoot strictly for fun, and I never have any blown up beyond the

4X6 prints I get back from the lab. I probably will be getting a

film scanner and printer in a year or two. I'll have a lot of catching

up to do. My criteria for keepers is if I feel it is good enough to be

posted on photo.net, thats it. My ratio is about 1 or 2 "keepers" per

roll. Occasionally none per roll.

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