35mmdelux Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 how about working on the proper exposure for backlit portrait, rather than flare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socke Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Richard, here it's known as the "blue hour", about one or two hours before sunset. I try to do my "night shots" when theres still some daylight left but the streetlights are turned on already. And to Shakils picture: Looking at the sun in the picture it is late enough, but a little underexposure and some fill flash would have brought the typical sundown portrait. Flare could have been avoided with a different lens, see my shot from Madrid which was made around 5pm without flash. With highlights burnt out as that, there should be more flare than the veil effect. But why go for the typical sundown portrait? Everybody does that and in this special case I like the flare beeing over the face. I'd try to tone down and darken the background a bit and bring out the flare some more in postprocessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 Thanks a lot for all your responses guys! Nice pix Trevor. I have tried most of these methods and they work, but I was actually trying to use wider apertures and still avoid flare (specially on the main subject). James' advice to move a little to the left or right is kinda new to me. That should place the flare off the main subject. I was also thinking about John and Vivek's advice of using a newer coated lens (my newer Nikkors are pertty cool in this respect). Paul, as far as I'm concerned, the exposure was right (I guess I, in fact my friend who scans for me, messed it up while scanning). I used an external meter and metered from the face. <br><br> Once again, thanks for the comments, guys! <br><br> Here is one from my Finepix F10:<br><br> <center><img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/4488620-lg.jpg"></img><br>fill flash, stopped down lens, newer coating</center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Now that IS good. Way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 Thanks Trevor ;-). I just had another look at my shots from the same roll, and I can see that stopping down the lens works like a charm. No flare what-so-ever (not even as in the F10). Hmmm, I guess wide open ap. and sun is not a good mix, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 See what I mean?:<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Er, I prefer 11:53. Please forgive me for preferring the look of the F10 pic. (I have an F10 myself but that is nothing to do with it as I have an M6 as well so not Leica bashing just prefer it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 How about.....<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 Don't you just love the F10? I like that look too, but I was just talking in terms of flare/rays only. BTW, cool shot Vivek! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 Thats a good editing, Trevor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Just a 15 percent (amount) 55 pixel (radius) 0 (threshold) contrast 'lift' in USM (no sharpening) and tiny bit darker to reduce the noise from the silhouettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 Interesting. I thought you played with something to remove the purple/magenta color cast. I was never good in color processing (in PS). I mean all my color shots look different when printed (or on the light box) and when scanned, and I tried but can't quite match these two colors. Maybe I should get a book or take a course on color PS-ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 I am not an expert in PS by any means. We only have a few of those. Brad & Eric spring to mind. They could give chapter & verse on playing with multiple layers to achieve lots of different effects. I just adjust, resize and sharpen (badly usually according to most feedback) and save for the web. Sometimes I turn stuff B&W as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ky2 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 <p align="center"><img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/1650312-md.jpg"><br><br>hint: a Rangefinder, but not a Leica.</p><p>A pinhole camera? to shoot the sun? ... Get a flare resistant lens, and/or stop down.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivek iyer Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Very nice, Yaron! Russian cam? For a moment I thought it was a Nels O post (the frame..)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 Yeah, clean shot Yaron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ky2 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Fuji 670III ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_amos Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 ...amazing images Mr. Trevor Hare. I like to imagine its time and trial and error, but I just don't know...amazing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_amos Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 very nice too Yaron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_evans4 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 <p><em>Any other suggestions for reducing flare?</em></p><p>Non-circular Waterhouse stops?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 "Any other suggestions for reducing flare?" Yeah. How 'bout ditching the rangefinder and working with a real viewfinder such as that of an SLR in WYSIWYG mode? Then we wouldn't have this much ado about nothing thread. Just one suggestion, but since you asked..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Nels, that is about as helpful as someone suggesting you 'ditch' your DSLR and get a 'real' camera like a Leica. I use both types so my complaint is about the inflammatory or 'baiting' nature of your choice of words rather than the suggestion itself. Especially when you describe a thread as 'much ado about nothing'. What was that about? The guy was just asking for some help with a technical issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nels Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Sarcasm was never intended to be rewarded, or appreciated by everyone. It's an acquired taste, from spending time on the Leica forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feli Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 A CLA from Leica New Jersey solved this problem with my Summicron DR (same optical formula as the rigid). 40-50 years of haze build-up doesn't exactly help when shooting under these circumstances. Cost for the cla was about $125 dollars US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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