vodafone_fu Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Hi all, anyone knows if the above two films are the same one but under different names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael R Freeman Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Same film. Pro 400H is the "new NPH". I think it has been renamed only, to give it the same naming convention as the updated ISO 160 pro films. I don't think there are any changes to the actual film (someone will correct me if I'm mistaken), unlike the Pro 160S and Pro 160C which are updated versions of NPS and NPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergenf Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 It's the same film, like Michael said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodafone_fu Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 Nice, thanks for the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discpad Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 ...And Pro400H has the same low contrast as Pro160S; while Pro800 has the same midlle-of-the-road contrast as Pro160C [i remember it as S=skin" & C="color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrejs_ilicuks Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 pro 400 is said by Fujifilm as enhanced for scanning, while pro 800 is still same NPZ repackaged for complete look of pro film line. You can check edge marks to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergenf Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Dan, do you also know where the 'H' in Pro 400H stands for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael R Freeman Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 My guess ... H = ISO 400<P> As in:<br> NPH - Negative Professional 400<br> CH - Consumer 400 (Edge code for Superia/Press 400)<br> RHP - Reversal 400 Professional (Provia 400F, a.k.a. RHPIII)<br> RH - Reversal 400 (Edge code for Sensia 400)<P> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_tuthill Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 NPH is <B>not</B> a low contrast film, so if 400H is the same emulsion, as most sources indicate, it is higher contrast than 160S. Now that Agfa Optima is gone, the only truly low-contrast 400 speed film is Portra 400NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergenf Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Bill, is the difference in contrast between Fuji Pro 400H and Kodak Portra 400NC really big or not? I've never used Portra 400NC before. On the other hand Fuji claims that Pro 400H is a low contrast film. They even have a sort of 'contrast chart' printed on the box of Pro 400H 5-roll pro packs where they compare the contrast with their other Pro serie films. According to that chart Pro 400H is a low contrast film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_tuthill Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Juergen, I would say that Kodak 400UC and NPH have similar contrast as scanned on my HP Photosmart or printed by Agfa d-Lab and Fuji Frontier. Portra 400NC has much less contrast. My wife always asks, "what happened to the shadows, did the sun go behind a cloud?" I don't think it's easy to compare contrast across film speeds, but Ctein ranked high-speed film contrast, as printed on Supra Endura, like so: NPZ, NHG2, Portra 800, new NPH, old NPH, 400UC(?), 400VC, 400NC, Optima 400. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff_gallup Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 In my experience, 400UC is noticeably more contrasty than NPH/400H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lex_jenkins Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Pro 400H appears to be very slightly different from NPH. I'm guessing it may have been tweaked for the digital printing era. NPH via Frontier machines tended to produce greens that were vivid out of proportion to other colors, which could be distracting at outdoor weddings. Pro 400H seems to have reeled in the green ever so slightly, altho' the overall look is the same as NPH. Same great mixed lighting performance. According to PDFs about NPH and Pro 400H on Fuji's website there are other minor differences. The 400H base is slightly thinner on the 120 version compared with 120 NPH. The PDFs note differences in the emulsions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_tuthill Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Thanks for the 400H info, Lex. I'll download the datasheet and update the cacreeks.com/films.htm table. Maybe 400H is lower contrast than new NPH. Here is what Ctein said about contrast of 400UC: "Extra saturation does not come at the price of higher contrast. The grayscale contrast of the Ultra Color films is almost identical to those of their Portra companions... Ultra Color 400 had just a bit more contrast in the darkest tones, but midtone and highlight rendition matched Portra 400NC." (I think "a bit" is exaggerated; 400UC shadows seem much deeper than 400NC and similar to NPH.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_tuthill Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 On the datasheets, after normalizing for scale, NPH and 400H look identical. Both are slightly lower contrast (especially for blue) than Portra 400NC, which is lower contrast than 400UC. If you believe datasheets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_eicher Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Personally, I have not been that happy with Pro 400H. If that is contrasty, I need to try something else. I find it very flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_tuthill Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Flat using what print or scan method, David? Flat usually means low contrast. Kodak 400UC has higher red saturation, so that might be a good alternative for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_eicher Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Flat when received from lab. Optical printing. On camera flash. I always liked more pop in my images. The old Kodak 400 VC was favorite of mine, but the lab went Fuji and Fuji paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kngharv Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Dear All: I've use NPH almost exclusively in past 10 years. I have heard a lot of people said that Pro400H is just the rename of NPH. But my personal experience is that Pro400H's color is shift a bit toward red compare with the old NPH which has a bit more greenish tone to it. (and I don't like that reddish shift) Anyone else that felt the same thing? Harv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_hall1 Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I just got this reponse from Fuji: Thank you for contacting Fujifilm, USA's Contact Center. Please allow us to assist you. NPH 400/NPZ 800 was not discontinued, however the name changed to Pro 400 H/800 Z. Pro 400 H/800 Z uses the same emulsion as NPH/NPZ so you can expect the same great results. We sincerely hope this information has been beneficial to you. If you should have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again. It would be our pleasure to assist you. Thank you for your interest in Fujifilm products and services. Respectfully, Contact Support Agent 2710 Fujifilm Contact Center 1-800-800-3854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmyers Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 <p>Awesome, thanks Jon Hall. I was just about to contact them.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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