whitworth photography Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I'm trying to understand why headshots for models (and I would assume actors as well) are 9x12 as opposed to say 8x10 ( which is in a medium format ratio) or 8x12 (35 mm ratio)? Is 9x12 based on some industry standard instead of the film format it is taken in? Thanks, Kirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph_wisniewski Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Actually, 8x10 isn't a medium format ratio, and 9x12 is. 645 is 60x45, factor out 15 and you get 4:3. Take 12x9, factor out 3, and you get 4:3. Movies were origionally 3:2, but when "talkies" became popular, some room was needed, and the film format was cut down to 4:3. People quickly got sick of that, and anamorphic lenses brought the format back to 3:2, and then beyond, to things like 2.2 aspect cinamascope. 4:3 was, for the last 5 decades, the aspect ratio for TV, so I imagine that's why you see it for actors. That made life easy for the people using round vidicon tubes, masked to rectangular 4:3. The ratio of diagonal to horizontal to vertical is 5:4:3, so if you know the diagonal, you know the horizontal (at 80% of diagonal) and the vertical (at 60% of diagonal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelton Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 I am not familiar with head shots. Why, if 9x12 is preferred to fit TV and movie screen formats, are they shot vertical? Shouldn't they then request horizontal portraits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph_wisniewski Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Good point. I'll stick with the "same as 645 medium format" answer, with a touch of "5:4:3 to make it easy" thrown in. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbreak Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 9x12 will fit the majority of magazine covers into the models' books, that's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanphysics Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 >> 645 is 60x45, factor out 15 and you get 4:3. Actually it's 56x41.5, but you're essentially correct about the ratio. 35mm silent fims were not 3:2. They were 4:3. Sound 35mm film is actually 1.37:1 (the "Academy Standard"). Anamorphic lenses are used for very wide aspect ratios, but the moderately wide ones are just cropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 Go with Kevin's answer. The world beyond internet photographers really doesn't care about film format ratios, they care about where the faces will end up. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph_wisniewski Posted October 24, 2005 Share Posted October 24, 2005 But don't they end up on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike dixon Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 A TV won't conveniently fit into a model's book--a tearsheet from a magazine <b>will</b> fit nicely into a 9x12 book. What Kevin said . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph_wisniewski Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 It was a joke, Mike ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleg k Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 I do lots of headshots, and all (100%) of my clients ask for 8x10". So i don't know where 9x12 came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenacolson Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I'm with you, Oleg. My sister is starting to audition for off-Broadway shows and asked that I do some headshots for her...and she requested 8x10s. Same with my friend auditioning for Second City in Chicago: 8x10 requested again. I've never heard of 9x12 headshots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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