michael_j._kravit1 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I am not asking for anything out of the realm of reality, nothing that technologically can not be accomplished, nothing that is so outrageous that I an out of line. What I want is very simple.... A digital M7, with +/-22 megapixels, OK, I will settle for 16.7mp. Simple, elegant and easy, so let's get on with it Leica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjords Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 ya, and how about adjustable diopters on a clear 1:1 viewfinder, my IIIc has it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose f. Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Geez. All I want is an M7 built like an M2..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b2 - Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I want to know what happend to the 75mm f2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 All I want is a 35/50/90 Tri-Summicron. Is that too much to ask for? 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 "All I want is a 35/50/90 Tri-Summicron. Is that too much to ask for? 8-)" Yes. They told us that at the 2003 annual meeting. But I think a 35/50 bi-Elmarit could be made that would not stick out so far, be an f/2.8, would balance better, and not block the finder frame so much. As to settling for a 16.7MP DM7, I would settle for an 8MP one, at the right price. That would still beat the RD-1 with its 6MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich815 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Wow, how big do you expect to need to print? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brambor Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 There is a bright future for humane photo mosaics, like those used in Olympic opening ceremonies. The future mosaics will be printed on hundreds of tshirts out of one JPG file from a xxxxMegapixel consumer digital. Pro DSLR's will be used to create mosaic images on the moon so that their true potential is realized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_richardson Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I think one of the biggest problem Leica faces is the difference between full frame SLR sensors and full frame rangefinder sensors. People see full frame SLR digital sensors and say: "Well, it is possible, so lets do it in the M". But it is not that simple. The rear lens element to sensor distance on an EOS SLR is far greater than it is on an M leica with a wide angle lens. The issue is getting the light rays to hit the sensor more or less dead on, or otherwise creating a sensor that can deal with oblique angle light. Both are easier said than done. So while a full frame 22 mp chip may be feasible <i>right now</i> for an SLR, it is not feasible <i>right now</i> for a rangefinder with the lenses we now have. This is the real problem. I really hope they can solve it soon, but it seems pretty likely to me that at this point the first digital M is going to use a sensor that is a direct descendent of the sensor in the DMR. So it will probably be a 1.3-1.4 crop with 10-13 mp. Personally, that is both good news and bad news. The good news is that the sensor takes fantastic pictures. The bad news is the crop factor, and the comparitively poor high iso performance. I don't mind an SLR that I can only use at ISO 100-400, but in a digital M I would definitely want a completely usable ISO 800, if not 1600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
working camera Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Why only 22 mega pixels? Geeze if only the manufacturers would see the light and cram in 100+mp into a digi M 26x24mm sensor we could achieve 10x8? quality! Gotta get me one o those full frrame jobs, they are much better aren't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Stuart, with clever firmware and signal processing, a full frame digital RF is possible. It may take some clever engineering solutions to cope with peripheral darkness, but it isn't completely impossible. I doubt that many would be as happy with a 1.3 sensor MD as they would be with a full frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
working camera Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 The answer is a definite resounding No, Non, Nein, not with the technicians at Leica or anywhere else for that matter. The problem lays with the intelligence and silly expectations of the of the mass market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 One solution I can think of is to take a calibration shot for each lens of a white surface, and have the camera store the proper vignetting correction in firmware and apply it on the fly as images are taken. The user could select between stored correction settings via the menu or even with a 'frameline / lens selector' doohickey. There. One solution on the table. If Leica wants to use it, they can pay me $10,000,000 as I have thought it up first and as it's prior art they can't patent it or defend a patent if they DO manage to file(and by US law, I 'own' the idea unless they patented or mentioned it first). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 And craig, Leica has never targeted the silly mass market. I don't know what you're on about here and you aren't making much sense to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonpg Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Michael, a good start.... and I'll add: a full frame sensor; EV range from 100 to 3200 asa; a sensor that can resolve 100% of Leica's M lenses' detail! Failing that, I already have the perfect M7! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
working camera Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 You are correct Andrew what the world really needs right now is a "full frame" 700 mega pixel (noiseless of course) digital M7 at a $300 USD price point. It should also feature an ISO range from 12 through to 64000 and produce perfect imagery throughout. Fact is Leica came to the conclusion that 10 mp was more than sufficient to deal with the resolution Leica optics are capable of, for both the DMR and future M7d. They could have just picked the 10mp number out of a hat of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_elek Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 A sensor tuned for all lenses also would need to make minute adjustments to account for the change in distance between the rear element and the sensor. However, this shouldn't be a problem as there should be plenty of storage capacity to hold these calculations. Perhaps Leica should take the approach of the SLR manufacturers, independent lens makers and Carl Zeiss and develop a line of lenses that would be good for both digital and film. That would have the dual effect of boosting sales of its lenses as well as addressing the light falloff issue. In fact, if I were Leica, I would develop a full frame sensor and new digital-compatible lenses. The camera would accept older wide angles but with a sensor crop. With 50mm and longer (actual focal lengths would be determined through testing), the user could opt for a sensor crop or full-frame. Newer digital-compatible lenses could be used either full or with a sensor crop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I would settle for a 10 megapixel full frame digital equivalent of something like the Hexar AF. It would be even better if the CCD had the same properties of those in the Fuji S3 with low noise, good colour and respectable dynamic range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 This is what I like to see Craig. A decline from irrational to insane. If you are attempting humor, well, you need to jump a bit higher. My idea is actually somewhat feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 A 10 Mp full frame M digital at a $5000 price point is what I have in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 craig hoehne , mar 13, 2004; 07:44 a.m. An M7d with a 35mm CCD (23.8x35.9mm), as opposed to the APS C size CCD for the Epson, now that is interesting! Even with advances in microlenslet technologies, how will the CCD sensor cope with M lenses and their particularly short rear lens element to film-plain distance? I explained above. You are either more close minded than you were 18 months ago, or drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_franklin Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I'd settle for a shutter release on a metered camera that had the feel of that on the Voigtlander Bessa R3a - that fires with a gentle squeeze (like my M3) rather than needing a conscious press like my MP does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
working camera Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Oooh....Andrew Robertson stop it....I'm beginning to like you. Everybody around here knows I have the cognitive development of a 6 year old. And I am as it happens, only after encountering this erudite and worth while "all I want for Xmas" thread, seriously considering getting drunk. Michael should have taken the Archive route, we and other PN fora have covered this territory over and over and over. Tim you stop it too, you're making way too much sense. C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprouty Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 <I>"Fact is Leica came to the conclusion that 10 mp was more than sufficient to deal with the resolution Leica optics are capable of..."</I><P>I'm betting the "fact" is that the 10Mp number was guided by price-point first and image quality second. <P>And back OT, why not a curved sensor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen_w. Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 sp, different length and projection, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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