trw Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hello I have a Moscow 5 folder and was thinking of running a roll of filmthrough it at a wedding this Saturday. I notice that the shutter is fairly resistant, even with a cablerelease. Has anyone tried an Air Release on one of these, and know ifit can be triggered, or if it just squishes but doesn't fire? What if I fill the hose with some form of incompressable fluid(hydraulic fluid or water)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gene m Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Hydraulic fluid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micah_henry Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Trent, I would advise against putting fluid in the air release hose. Sounds like an invitation to disaster. I'm wondering if the shutter release linkage is bent and/or binding. Are you using the cable release on the shutter housing or the threaded hole in the body shutter release button? If there is a hole for the cable release on the shutter housing itself, you might want to try the cable release there and see if that makes any difference. (I have a Mockba 5 camera, but it's at home and I'm at work right now, so I can't look to see if it even has a hole on the shutter housing for cable release. The body shutter release button might be the only threaded hole for using a cable release.) --Micah in NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trw Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 The body shutter release is the only threaded hole. Also the body shutter must be pressed to disengage the anti-double-exposure interlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tito sobrinho Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 Trent, did you advance the film? The Moskva 5 has double exposure prevention and no cable release will work in order to release the shutter. There is no hole on the shutter per se. The body shutter release button, has the threaded hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tito sobrinho Posted November 9, 2005 Share Posted November 9, 2005 "Also the body shutter must be pressed to disengage the anti-double-exposure interlock" Trent. Not on my 5. The body release button works like any other camera...advance the film, cock the shutter and push the button one time, with or without a cable release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trw Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 Yes, same here, I just meant that you can't trip the shutter via the little lever on the shutter. If you do, you won't be able to wind the film easily. I'll check it out when I get home tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winfried_buechsenschuetz1 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 "I just meant that you can't trip the shutter via the little lever on the shutter. If you do, you won't be able to wind the film easily." Not true. The Moskvas have a double-release lock, but NO double-wind lock. You can wind the film forever, doesn't matter whether you released the shutter via the body release or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trw Posted November 10, 2005 Author Share Posted November 10, 2005 Mine gets very hard to wind in 1/3 frame lengths unless you push the shutter button (with shutter not cocked). Perhaps there is something wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tito sobrinho Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Obviously, there is something wrong! As Winfried wrote... you can wind the film forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mskovacs Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 I've had the wind lock mechanism on a M-5 apart. From what I recall, its the same design as an red window wind Ikonta. There is a clutch with wings that trip the double exposure mechanism and things can get quick gucky in there. When the wind lock trips, the rotation changes from rotation of the entire mechanism to just rotation of the inner part of the clutch, which is probably the source of the roughness. Its a pretty simple job to disassemble and clean the works, and its been necessary on 2/3 cameras I've worked on with this mechanism. Ikonta 521/16 is very easy with its tiny 1/4 top plate, Super Ikonta requires the entire top plate to come off if memory serves. Might as well clean all the viewfinder/rangefinder optics while in there. About the release: there is a shaft with triangular wings up to. The shaft is either pushed down with the cable, or the wings catch the bottom of the button. In either case, this shaft is pushed so the double exposure interlock should release no matter whether one pushes the top deck button or cable release. No interlock on the shutter release lever itself of course. If the release is running rough, it may require a simple cleaning and drop of light oil to make the shaft run smoother. There may also be grime in the arm which transmits the motion to the shutter. This can be cleaned sort of half-assed with the shutter on, but its easier to get to all the grime if the shutter is pulled from the body. A lot of resistance is not normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mskovacs Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 Sorry, I meant "Moskva-5" not "Super Ikonta" in reference to the top plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_bishop Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 My Mockba 5 is sort of 'clunky ?' also. The only way I use it now is on a tripod with a cable release.I've learned to live with it. I like the results I get from it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 <P>I found I couldn't use a cable release on my Moskva 5 so I'm pretty sure that an air release won't work. The mechanical linkage to the shutter is not very precise and it just binds up as far as I can see. I think the fold-out section of the camera is slightly misaligned.</P><P>Your idea of using liquid in the remote release is ingenious but I don't think the joints in the system would withstand much pressure.</P> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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