stanley_cheung Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 hello everyone, after had a look of Marc Lieberman's noctilux Color Bokeh pic, http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00HXgG&tag i would like to know more about the bokeh of this lens and hear more comment and advice from more experienced users here. i have got a nocti recently and still learning how to well use this monster. it's really sharp when in focus and i can see no different when shooting at f/5.6 compare with my 50mm summicron! but then, the Bokeh with the nocti seems appear both gorgeous and really bad to me sometime... i'm new with this bokeh thing and would really want to know more how to make a beautifull out of focus background (after read some threads about this in the forum... make me understand that the bokeh can actually be managed by the photographer). hereby, a photo i took at night with a slow speed.... so the suject may not be very sharp... but what i remarked on this pic is that the background lighting are a bit distubing... but at the same time the building behind at the background has a really smooth out of focus outline.... i have heard about this lens has a special out of focus rendering... is it that rendering? will you considering that's a bad bokeh? is it only appear when it's wide opened, will it get better if i closed down the aperture to f1.2 or f1.4. i will make some pics of nocti at f/1.2 and f1.4, but what i'm interested is how it's compare with the new summilux asph. at f/1.4 which i don't have. i have seen some very good samples in this thread: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00HHZ5&tag and found that the earlier version of noctilux f/1.2 has a really smooth oof rendering at f/1.2 and f/1.4. is it due to the different of optic?<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley_cheung Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 these are what i found in my pics.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley_cheung Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 hereby another lens which i love. the leica MEM at f/4<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley_cheung Posted August 5, 2006 Author Share Posted August 5, 2006 detailes of the OOF background. best regards!<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul hart Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Stanley: I was interested to see your photos taken with the 90MEM, as I've recently bought one of these and my first film (B&W) is about to be processed. I know bokeh is a subjective thing, but I'm not quite so keen on the bokeh in your MEM shot - it looks a bit 'busy' to me. Is this photo typical of the lens wide open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred_c1 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Stop down to get rid of the cat's eyes effect (and reduce light fall-off at the same time): http://www.vanwalree.com/optics/vignetting.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aizan_sasayama Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 you have to make a distinction between "busy bokeh" and "busy backgrounds" (no pun intended). stanley's macro elmar produces very smooth bokeh, but the background itself has a lot going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_richardson Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 for what it's worth, I love the effect that it has on the lights in the first picture. More proof that bokeh is totally subjective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley_cheung Posted August 6, 2006 Author Share Posted August 6, 2006 Paul, hereby 2 more photos with the MEM, it's a great lens, i'm sure you will love it!! Aizan, the previous photo does have a busy background. he he he! Fred, thanks a lot for the link!!! it makes much clear for me now. and very interesting optic explainations! i will take time to read them all. Stuart, me too, i'm learning to love it. anyway this photo just won't be made if i had a f1.4, or f2 on my camera. Peter, hum... i'm sorry. i just understood half of your sentence... but for me, understand more the optical issus and limits help me to better composite my picture. i find the out of focus area is one of the element in the composition of a image too. so why ignor it.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley_cheung Posted August 6, 2006 Author Share Posted August 6, 2006 one more with the Noctilux, took indoor with superia 400 set at iso 200.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_barrett Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Noctilux/M6<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_barrett Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 noctilux/M6<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewlamb Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Steve, That last picutre you posted looks out of focus. Fair enough, I'm assuming you shot close to wide open with the Nocti. However, there is some very weird foreshorteneing going on with your subject's hand and fingers. The more I look at it the more disturbing it seems to be or is this me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_barrett Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 It's not a very good scan, but her eyes in the original print are in focus. In any case, if it disturbs you, well, it just does! Trust your feelings....<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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