michael s. Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Just enjoying the discussion. Not what's usually done on this Forum, perhaps because it's to some extent "old hat" to more experienced photographers. But I appreciate Tom raising the issue with his photo and find the other comments and photos instructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_elder1 Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Hi! Both Winogrand shots are a lot less busy than your first posted shot. The horizontal bushes and verticle poles do not direct the viewer to the subject. Also in both Winogrands there is a clear path to the subject: your shot would have done this had you moved 2 feet to your left. Your picture is still a good shot; its not a great shot. I'm sure Winogrand took thousands of pictures not as good as yours. You know damn well that a great kissing shot is alot of luck. Usually it doesn't last long enough for you to do anything but shoot. If time alows then you can play with it. " The Kiss' is always a trigger for me and i'm always looking for this subject. I think I have 3 good kissing shots and by chance they were shot tight and wide with a 35mm lens. I'm sure you have successful pics where you are not "close". Later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 "You can never get close enough" <i>Michael Ackerman</i> <p> T.S., I 'think' this means you should have had sex with them then photographed 'em....just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markcar Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 " I'm sure Winogrand took thousands of pictures not as good as yours." John, I know you're right about that. Winogrand made hundreds of thousands of images; many are still unprocessed! Thomas, how many exposures did you make of this scene? If you have more, post them. It would be interesting to see how the situation evolved and how each of us might have seen it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim r Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Peter strikes me as a voyeur and possibly a romantic, getting closer and/or tighter cropping would emphasize/isolate a romantic moment. The engagement of the vet with Winogrand (at a time of public angst in the US) would also be more emphasized if he was closer and/or the crop was tighter. So to "get closer"...or not? It depends and you (photographer) should decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 "...Thomas, how many exposures did you make of this scene..." this be it........I was watching something else on 5th Ave near 60th street, took a look around and behind me like I usually do when waiting for something to happen, saw them.......click....then they were apart and walking.... again, thanks for the input........some of the thoughts are quite intrigueing.......heh, especially edmo's...... guess there is another reason I felt like asking this........I just bought John Szarkowski's "Looking at Photographs: 100 Pictures from the Collection of The Museum of Modern Art" and am reading it for the first time ever. Never read critiques like his before and found it fascinating. Some of the critiques above of my pic sound a lot like something he might have said. That alone made asking this question worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 ...and for that matter, some of the critiques above of Winogrands pics remind me of Looking at Photographs' critiques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 TS, thanks.... on a seperate note, i just got a bunch of emails from folks saying i'm the only one making any sense here. kinda like the big guy over at the LF. on another note, anybody ever try any of "two buck chucks" wine? highly recomended...highly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 "Two Buck Chuck's" = Charles Shaw (avail. at Trader Joes) Absolutely! Wine experts say it's actually a blend of some of these grapes and a few of those, but what do I know? I'm no expert. My position: It tastes good and it's inexpensive. Is it helping you take some of these photos, Ed? If so, I'm gonna have an extra glass next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 "on a seperate note, i just got a bunch of emails from folks saying i'm the only one making any sense here." that's something the big guy over there would say too :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 <I>Is it helping you take some of these photos, Ed?</I> <p> don't know...taste good though. Just finishing up a bottle of merlot and thinkin' of doin' the cabernet next, at three bucks a bottle....wtf? <p> <I>that's something the big guy over there would say too :)</I> <p> ok, ok...it was only one email and I stole the line from the good capt....where TF I put my glass? <p> TS, anyway, think Ackerman has a point. There's a sense of detachment in your pic that's not in the Wino ( :D ) pics....(this might have been said before) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Two Buck Chuck is only available in states that allow it to be two bucks. Due to arcane liquor laws that date back to the end of Prohibition, in some states a grocery like Trader Joe's can't even sell wine. And in many states, due to the requirement to go through a local distributor, the wine won't be two bucks. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 I don't know all the rules but i don't think you can buy it in any of the trdaer joes in NY. In Mass. the Trader Joes in Brookline carries it for three bucks and it's not even available at the store in Back Bay... i did see "Sideways" this weekend so i am somewhat of a vino expert.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 just to keep things straight and on an even keel my favorite food group is a pint of Bass and a vodka on the rocks....side by side naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael s. Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 True. At Trader Joe's in Northern Virginia, I think it's $3.29 or 3.49. These limitations and variations do not seem to be impeding Ed's libations or imbibibibibations ... if he can just find his glass.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Peter, I like some of them close pictures...the ones you haveta clean the lens off afterwords... Ed, try what we do here..1/2 glass box..put in first...2 b chuck on top of it, ymmmm...<brrrp> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 no need to worry i found the glass... <p> Barry, black box?? <p> here's a pic from the future, tomorrow morning to be exact.... <p> <center><img src="http://photos10.flickr.com/17182498_00aa2de1e9_o.jpg"></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmo Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 nobody is paying attention here either.... <p> <center><img src="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/3343585-lg.jpg"></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted June 3, 2005 Author Share Posted June 3, 2005 I'm asking people who drink "box" and two buck wines for an opinion about my pic?..........your email is right edmo, that don't make sense.........jeez ;o) .......I gotta buy that Ackerman book one of these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 top it off w/a latte..who's ta say.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_Es Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 <center><img src="http://gallery.photo.net/photo/3335438 -lg.jpg"></center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim r Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Indeed, no offense intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 I'd listen to Kei. He must know something, judging by his work. Nice shot Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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