barry_davis___st._louis__m Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Ok, I have been consistent with most all my weddings this year and then this wedding sneaks up and blow a bit of my confidence. Camera 5d, 1600iso (maybe i should have lowered), F5.6 1/100speed. Lens 1.8 Canon 50MM, recycle time was good on the 580ex! Im baffled. 2/3 of the processional were like this. I shot iin raw so I was able to save the images. But I dont know what is wrong except it looks like garbage! Yes the room was very low light, there were three differnet lights. Fluorescent, Ambient, and a mixture of yellowish brown...but I thought the flash and having white balanced would have taken care of close up shots! Please...thoughts!!<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_madio Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 It looks like the flash didn't go off ... check your cables and batteries. There's no need to go to ISO 1600 when using flash unless you need really long reach or a tiny aperture. As for the ambient light, set white balance to flash and drag the shutter to taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picturesque Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yep, looks like the flash didn't go off. Check the EXIF data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari douma Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I agree about the flash. If some turned out, and some didn't, that is a key indicator. Either that or your camera is failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Naka Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 If the flash is on a bracket, first check that you can reliably fire the flash from the hot shoe on the camera. Then see if it will reliably fire on the bracket. Reliably also means roating the camera from horizontal to vertical and moving around like you would at a wedding to move the cable around. If it is not reliable, suspect the conecting cable has a broken wire "someplace." I'm baffled, why are you shooting at ISO-1600 with flash? With the benefit of flash, I would not be up at ISO-1600. Even more so with the f5.6 aperture. Unless you are bouncing off a HIGH ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry_davis___st._louis__m Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 i was using a "fong" dome bouncing off the ceiling, and my test shots before the ceremony weren't like this..The 580 was attached to the camera...but like you i think its the flash not firing but I swear it did!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_kaplan1 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Keep your left eye open so you can see if the flash went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picturesque Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Did you check the EXIF data? That will tell you for sure. If the flash went off it sure didn't leave any signs on the image. The only thing that makes the flash do this is flashback from mirrors and highly reflective surfaces, or extreme minus flash compensation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wedding-photography-denver Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Well that shot has no flash or so little that is is no longer visible (read: having no noteable effect). Check your exif and the conections. Be sure your are not set at -comp. on either the camera or flash. Check the flash works with other cam bodies. Make sure another flash works on that body. Let us know what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_ Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 It 'could' have been that your flash's flash-tube was somewhat overheated and giving out off-color light...as a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer valencia Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 The shot looks badly underexposed. I agree with the pp's that your flash was probably not doing its job. Can you tell us what the exif data says? Jennifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant g Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 My first thought is to get a battery pack. I use the Canon CP-E3, but there are other options for faster recycling. You were counting on the flash as your main light with those settings in mixed light, and I'm sure your flash was just not keeping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grant g Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 One more suggestion is to shoot at 1/60 or 1/30 if flourescent light is the main ambient light source. Faster than that and you will get a high percentage of brown-orange frames since the lights flicker at 60 Hz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Sorry folks, the flash did fire according to the camera data. Whether it fired properly is another matter. The 5D was set to manual @ 1/100th shutter, ISO 1600, and the 50mm was @ f/5.6. Metering mode and WB setting wasn't recorded. Berry, if you want, ftp me the RAW file on this shot ( www.sendthisfile.com), using: fotografz@comcast.net as the notification adress they require. I'll look at it for you and recommend a fix. The jpg is to badly pixalated to do anything with, but there are a few tricks in RAW processing that'll probably work.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry_davis___st._louis__m Posted September 13, 2006 Author Share Posted September 13, 2006 Marc, you are correct as far as I see in the data the flash fired as did other shots. I will send you the original cr2 to see if you can read anymore info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david cheok Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Yup.. i got this same problem with the 580 ex last night as well.. the flash/EXIF registered a pop but the image got very little light.. happened for a bit.. then I changed the batteries and everything was ok.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picturesque Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 OK--what about the batteries? Were they near exhausted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Go ahead and send it Barry. Send the whole file as shot untouched in ACR. Are you using standard AAs or Ni-MH rechargables Barry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry_davis___st._louis__m Posted September 13, 2006 Author Share Posted September 13, 2006 Marc,, the file was returned by your host...its a large file! I used two sets...once I saw the "brown" I changed quickly from my rechargeables (Maxell "Nickel Metal Hydride") to Duracel Alkaliines's. Similiar issue. I've tried to replicate the effect at home...shooting fast, shooting slow,,,not W/B and i cant seem to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografz Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 You have to use www.sendthisfile.com which is a ftp site that'll hold the file and send me an e-mail link to go get it from them for down load. It takes a while for it to load from your computer onto their site, so be patient. I can't figure out what's going on with your problem either Barry. I tried to replicate it with my 5D, 580EX and the same settings. The only underexposed shots happened when the flash didn't fire at all. But your's did. I even loaded exhaused batteries in the 580EX, but it still worked even when I rapid fired it. The flash wouldn't fire until there was enough juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry_davis___st._louis__m Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share Posted September 14, 2006 Marc, no worries! I think the lesson to me and others is...have backup batteries, do W/B, check exposure if you have time and review histogram and make adjustments. I probably should have pulled the 20d or just replaced the lens with another one...could be the mounts were setting right. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic81 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Hey Barry, As a fix/option to correct the photos, give 'match color' under image adjustments a try if you are using PS. Click the neutralize button and make a few adjust using levels. Hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Naka Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Marc, depending on the flash, some flashes WILL fire before reaching full charge. I did that yesterday. Shot 1-full charge OK, shot 2 a few second later was underexposed. I was using a borrowed flash so did not have my HV pack, and best I can figure is I shot before the flash was fully charged, so it did not have the charge to put out enough light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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