steve_chan5 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Since we all know that rangefinders without a red dot are inherently, tragically, outrageously flawed, lets start speculating about the possible flaws of the ZI! A few have already come up: 1) Shutter noise comparable to 21 gun salute - makes women cry, comparable to "shock and awe" campaign 2) Made next to Bessas, so has Bessa "cooties" and may spontaneously disintegrate after 5 years How about: 1) Zeiss Ikon body somehow causes "bad bokeh" with Leitz lenses 2) Effective base length is too long, makes it difficult to focus slower lenses like the Elmar 3) Lacks that certain "je ne sais quoi" of German brick cameras 4) Lack of lead weights makes camera less steady with slow shutter speeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_kieltyka1 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 RF coupled down to 50cm, thus inviting street shooters to redefine "in your face" when using the new Zeiss wide angle lenses. This will inevitably lead to violence. -Dave- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic_. Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 5) There is no Zeiss in Zeiss. Just as there is no Voigtlander in Voigtlander. (I read this somewhere on the LUG a long time ago!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_ilomaki Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Steve I know what happened! You posted this one day too early. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vick_ko Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 1) film is too easy to load, no removable base-plate to drop. Doesn't create opportunity for news-groups to discuss how to best load the film 2) black finish doesn't wear off, revealing brass and tripling value of camera 3) no usage of 5-letter codewords in the accessories catalog. How is a user supposed to get any "Nooky"? 4) rangefinder doesn't flare. regards Vick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul t Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Too cheap - invalidates one's credentials as dentist or attorney.<p> Says 'made in Japan' when it's really made in Japan.<p> Shutter speed dial doesn't cost $125. <p> The automatic functions of the camera (exposure, film transport,) are so well executed that you will start to rely on them and even transfer control to them. Your state of photographic alertness will vanish. In fact you will start to become an operator of the camera, adjusting the wheels and not the driver who forces the camera to do as he wants it to act. <p> In short, if anyone buys a ZI they will be turned into a photographic zombie, this place will become known as the Forum Of The Living Dead, and Jeff Spirer will moderate by means of a chainsaw grafted to his right arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shambrick007 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 It's vaporware! How can a company come out w/a new rangefinder when Leica can't sell enough of theirs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_mcloughlin Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Well, maybe (maybe) there's a viable market for a $1,600 RF body vs. a $2,700 RF body? Maybe this is a precursor/companion to an upcoming digital RF body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david dutchison Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 "Since we all know that rangefinders without a red dot are inherently, tragically, outrageously flawed"... Guess my M2 needs a bindi! I especially hate the Zeiss's big, high eye-relief Viewfinder; the whole sleek, rugged R.F. photog. mystique is ruined if people who wear glasses are encouraged to carry them. Also that Shutter speed dial with A.E. compensation built right in, they lost an oppertunity to add another complicated looking dial there. The Zeiss looks like a camera anyone could use. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_hugel Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Surely the first (or second?) sign of the Leicapocalypse.<br/ ><br /> <small>hold me.</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Blackwell Images Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 List of outrageous flaws of the new Zeiss Ikon RF... Reported to be released for sale in the spring 2005... But in reality, it now appears it will not be available until August. When it does finally arrive, it will only be available in silver chrome in the Western markets (in black and silver chrome in the Asian markets). “When you come to a fork in the road, take it ...” – Yogi Berra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank granovski Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 It's not titanium like my wife's G2, and the G2 is less expensive and has TTL. ;*) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattalofs Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 "In short, if anyone buys a ZI they will be turned into a photographic zombie, this place will become known as the Forum Of The Living Dead, and Jeff Spirer will moderate by means of a chainsaw grafted to his right arm." That's the funniest thing posted on this forum in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham_morriss2 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 In short, if anyone buys a ZI they will be turned into a photographic zombie, this place will become known as the Forum Of The Living Dead, and Jeff Spirer will moderate by means of a chainsaw grafted to his right arm." That's the funniest thing posted on this forum in a long time. Can't agree more Matt, made me laugh out loud! just what I needed after a particulary bad day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony_brookes5 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Are Leica users Ikonoclasts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank granovski Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Will/is the ZI's shutter noise similar with SLR mirror slapping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aric_rothman Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 '3) no usage of 5-letter codewords in the accessories catalog. How is a user supposed to get any "Nooky"?'<p><p> No. They're 6-letter names! I heard they would be coming out with table top tripod, a sandbag, and a gyroscopic stabilizer. All these accessories are intended to help the camera <i>stand still</i>.<p><p> They're to be called KLAATU, BARADA, and NICKTO.<p><p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socke Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Frank, the ZI shutter noise will be close to slamming a door shut on a 1967 Volkswagen Beetle or Renault R4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alessandro_dolci Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Last but not least Zeiss (and Contax ) cameras in 35mm means bad luck. Zeiss has killed several cameras and systems and now is the m- system turn!! Alessandro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_hall1 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 >if anyone buys a ZI they will be turned into a photographic zombie, this place will become known as the Forum Of The Living Dead, and Jeff Spirer will moderate by means of a chainsaw grafted to his right arm. As long as people keep posting digital equipment threads here - even pilfering complete bylined columns passing as their own - Jeff et al will remain a separate entity from the chainsaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uuronl Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 All kidding aside (and it's been amusing), the shutter is the same as the R3A's and RD-1's according to Steve Gandy's "CV assembly line tour article". I own an R3A, there's a distinct metallic click, or click-click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_Es Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Frankly, I cannot wait until the Zeiss-Ikon hits the market. It has its flaws for sure. You cannot motorize or rapidwinderize it, nor do you get a 135mm frame. But it seems to be well made. It is going to be easy to load and reload in the heat of action. Now just suppose the Zeiss-Ikon has a short production run like the Minolta CLE, which it resembles. Then we will be reading laments in this forum about the untimely demise of a modern day classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameron_sawyer Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Ikonodul, not -klast, if they like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey_edelstein1 Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Does anyone know what type of construction it has for instance is it a magnesium alloy body over an aluminum frame. The Bessa finish has reputation for wearing off and looking bad but for under $600 one can't really expect too much. I hope that the $1600 price includes better wearing materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly_flanigan1 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Accepts both Silicon Film digital cassettes; the one for M lenses; the one for the Konice lenses; with the offset compensated with the -K option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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